Liv178 Apartments - 178th and Pacific

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Liv178 Apartments - 178th and Pacific

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Neighbors see red over west Omaha apartment project
Cindy Gonzalez
It wasn’t Valentine’s Day or Husker game day, but many in a group that converged at City Hall on Wednesday dressed in red to show their opposition to an apartment complex proposed in their west Omaha neighborhood.

Residents who live near the 4.5-acre project site southeast of 178th and Pacific Streets cited traffic congestion and safety of schoolchildren among reasons to put a stop to the 96-unit complex.
I just commented on another thread that I thought people would be open to general upzoning, but for NIMBY's. Well, here is a clear example. This is taken from the HOA website (https://www.springridgeomaha.com/) of an adjacent neighborhood:
The HOA intends to challenge the rezoning and development due to the following concerns:

Traffic Impact: There will be no egress to Pacific so all traffic in and out of the complex with happen on either 178th Street or Poppleton Avenue. This will heavily impact stop light wait times and school zone pick up and drop off.

Detriment to Property Values in Spring Ridge: The disclosed projected rate for rent within this complex is lower than the average market rate for Elkhorn, as well as the aesthetic impact to our entrance.

Effects of Rezoning: Should the project not progress to completion once rezoned, the parcel is still then rezoned for multi-family use for the next purchaser.
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I guess I don’t get your objection to their concern. The HOA has a fiduciary responsibility to the members to protect property values and quality of life for the SID. You offer no specific remedies for their concerns. If I had kids affected by the added traffic near school pick up areas, I would be concerned.

The planning board is full of people who don’t ever see these concerns as important and this feeds into the behavior you slam by calling them a name which here is a dirty word, “NIMBY”. Why not step back and ask why these people shouldn’t be able to effectively voice concerns?

Ever live on 48th and California? The east side of Dundee that was single family homes, but suddenly became multi-adult shared houses and parking became impossible? The people saw that and objected to further expansion. Is it wrong for the rest of Dundee to object to not being able to park at their home?

The fundamental problem here is the developer is trying to get rich off an apartment block that will affect the neighbors, but wants to do nothing to help the problem the apartment block creates. An effective planning board should be able to bring the two sides to a meeting of the minds and force a settlement fair to both sides.
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HOAs are not fiduciaries in that sense. Would be kind of hilarious if they were, but no. The individual directors are fiduciaries when it comes to the common funds, but that's it. Comparing 48th and California to the palatial spaces at 178th and Pacific is equally hilarious.

If you don't want to live in a city, don't live in one. Living in a city means you will have neighbors who don't always do what you want, including having the audacity to be poorer and still need a place to live.
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bigredmed1 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:48 pm I guess I don’t get your objection to their concern. The HOA has a fiduciary responsibility to the members to protect property values and quality of life for the SID. You offer no specific remedies for their concerns. If I had kids affected by the added traffic near school pick up areas, I would be concerned.

The planning board is full of people who don’t ever see these concerns as important and this feeds into the behavior you slam by calling them a name which here is a dirty word, “NIMBY”. Why not step back and ask why these people shouldn’t be able to effectively voice concerns?

Ever live on 48th and California? The east side of Dundee that was single family homes, but suddenly became multi-adult shared houses and parking became impossible? The people saw that and objected to further expansion. Is it wrong for the rest of Dundee to object to not being able to park at their home?

The fundamental problem here is the developer is trying to get rich off an apartment block that will affect the neighbors, but wants to do nothing to help the problem the apartment block creates. An effective planning board should be able to bring the two sides to a meeting of the minds and force a settlement fair to both sides.
Do they have a right to complain? Sure. Does it need to be addressed. No. If we addressed every complaint received on every development we’d have no development because we could not agree on what does and does not get built.

The most nonsensical part of the argument to me is that they want to reduce traffic congestion to improve the safety of the children. So, by increasing traffic speeds, the children will be safer. Yes, it’s certainly more beneficial to the children to be plowed into by a driver going along at 30 than one who isn’t moving at all because of congestion.

A subdivision composed of public streets, public schools, public parks, and other amenities paid for by the public tax roles has no right to exclude others from living in their neighborhood. Nuisance items are an exclusion, however moderately priced apartments are not a nuisance.

A developer only has minimum responsibility to make improvements to an area they are developing. They will make improvements as a requirement from the city, like sidewalks or limiting driveway placements, but off the property, for a development like this, it has minimal responsibility. It’s on the city to make improvements, which are paid by tax revenue collected, in part, by the residents who live in a development. When the city approves a development, they’re also approving acknowledgement that the development does not exceed system capacities or that new capacities will need to be built at some point by city government. If the developer was responsible for all capacity improvements, there would either be only really expensive development or no development at all.

A city has people and traffic. This is what you sign up for by living in one. If you move near an empty lot, assume it will become a building some day. Your right as a citizen to tell others what to do with their property is minimal.

96 units isn’t that many. It sounds like a lot, but it isn’t. The little shopping center on the north side of Pacific where Deja Vu is has more than 96 parking spots. 178th Street handles 4,382 cars per day. The intersection at Pacific handles 18,000. 96 more isn’t going to make a significant difference.
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Totally agree.
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Plumbing and Foundations are in for this project.
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I couldn't figure out what this development was supposed to be - drive by it all the time. Forgot all about this thread.
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almighty_tuna wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:23 pm I couldn't figure out what this development was supposed to be - drive by it all the time. Forgot all about this thread.
I couldn't remember the name either, luckily I searched "Pacific" in the suburban section and it popped up quickly.
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So glad my neighborhood isn't on here yet (more to come on that (where) later)!

I've been on an HOA Board, and my Husband has been and is on our SID Board. The SID has a fiduciary duty (to the neighborhood - by the way of roads, upkeep, and any other things in the SID laws/by-laws) to keep property values up, but not the HOA. It is in the HOA's best interest, however.

Much of these developments and neighbors do usually become NIMBY. I am not one of them. I'm more levelheaded as I have seen when a neighborhood gets heated and runs the original plan out and a 2nd or 3rd plan comes in (never good), which is generally worse than the original plan. All you can do is affect change in the development via more trees, changes in the looks of the buildings, maybe add access, features, etc.

The best example of a neighborhood affecting any change is Fire Ridge off of 192nd & Pacific. It got Ravello & the Apartments directly to the North. Both of those developments are 2-story townhome style Apartments that run in the Rent Range of $1600-2700. I have heard (Brother-in-law who lives there) that it was ONLY 1 person who did all the work (not the SID or the HOA had anything to do with it).
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Just an update. The structures are going up. Work continues on interior and exterior.