Missouri River

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:41 pm

It's just a bunch of pictures from a suspect source. I see no proof of a flood.

"You think their tanks are in an endless line coming towards us, wrong they are only a few of them and they turn around and then return as if to make a long snake."

mscott07 · Post by **mscott07** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:43 pm

DeWalt wrote:
S33 wrote:
Stargazer wrote:I don't know the history of flooding in Council Bluffs... if the levee around Playland Park were to fail... would it pretty well flood all the way to the downtown?
Yes, there are very few high points from the river all the way to downtown CB, or just slightly to the west of the hospitals.
Dang.

When you consider the fact that (they claim) we've not yet seen the highest water levels, and that the flooding will be here for months, this could be really bad news!

I'm worried about getting through to Omaha via I-80. What are the chances I-80 route from CB will be closed to flooding in the next few weeks? People say that part is unlikely but IDK. I am pregnant and would need to get to hospital. Of course, could go to the local one but even then I worry if it will be accessible to locals. I live on east side of CB at a higher elevation but if everything around us is flooded we would be stuck. UGH, scary!

Omababe · Post by **Omababe** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:06 am

DeWalt wrote:Let's see if this works...

Wow, looks like the long-closed Casino Omaha is now an island in a lake!

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:37 am

mscott07 wrote:I'm worried about getting through to Omaha via I-80. What are the chances I-80 route from CB will be closed to flooding in the next few weeks? People say that part is unlikely but IDK. I am pregnant and would need to get to hospital. Of course, could go to the local one but even then I worry if it will be accessible to locals. I live on east side of CB at a higher elevation but if everything around us is flooded we would be stuck. UGH, scary!

I would say you've got very little to worry about. If I80 is under water, half of CB, and most of downtown Omaha would have to already be under several feet. This would be a major disaster, and you would be evacuated already. The I-80 approaches from both CB and Omaha are on relatively high ground, so there's no real worry about them going under.

Post by **Brad** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:54 am

We went down to the riverfront to check things out last night and to try to get a shot of the full moon coming up.

There was a huge crowd down there on the bridge last night! The Mosquito's were extra thick too!

There are a huge beaver swimming around in the flood water near Rick's that drew quite a large crowd. (on a tee for one of you).

The most interesting thing is that there are areas around that back of the Qwest Center near the loading docks with Sand Bags around them a few feet high!

Honestly I am not too worried about the Levee failing as much as I am worried about ground water seepage. What about all the underground transformers in that area. What happens when an underground electrical vault fills with water?

Midtown Gal · Post by **Midtown Gal** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:08 am

Some friends around the office have been sharing this link around. Cuh-razy pictures!

https://picasaweb.google.com/1045925390 ... 8306901218

almighty_tuna · Post by **almighty_tuna** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:45 am

Speaking of seepage...

...ok, seriously though. The train track crossing on riverfront drive might soon be a problem if there aren't pumps brought in.

Post by **Brad** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:49 am

almighty_tuna wrote:Speaking of seepage...

...ok, seriously though. The train track crossing on riverfront drive might soon be a problem if there aren't pumps brought in.

There were guys in yellow vests looking at it last night. I saw on one of the trains forums it was completely under water down by Heartland of America Park.

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:45 am

Ok, somewhere I saw some really good photos of this... wasn't here?

Linkin5 · Post by **Linkin5** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:49 am

Brad wrote:
almighty_tuna wrote:Speaking of seepage...

...ok, seriously though. The train track crossing on riverfront drive might soon be a problem if there aren't pumps brought in.
There were guys in yellow vests looking at it last night. I saw on one of the trains forums it was completely under water down by Heartland of America Park.

Theres train forums? Man I thought I was a nerd.

Uffda · Post by **Uffda** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:20 pm

WOW

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:20 pm

Probably will get some serious whitecaps out there with the next big storm front we get.

Post by **Brad** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:25 pm

Anyone have a link to some map that Kevin and Mike'l were talking about? It may be on the FB page but I can't get to that at the moment.

Linkin5 · Post by **Linkin5** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:38 pm

This may be what you are talking about

http://www.ketv.com/download/2011/0616/28258280.pdf

mscott07 · Post by **mscott07** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:50 pm

Ben wrote:
mscott07 wrote:I'm worried about getting through to Omaha via I-80. What are the chances I-80 route from CB will be closed to flooding in the next few weeks? People say that part is unlikely but IDK. I am pregnant and would need to get to hospital. Of course, could go to the local one but even then I worry if it will be accessible to locals. I live on east side of CB at a higher elevation but if everything around us is flooded we would be stuck. UGH, scary!
I would say you've got very little to worry about. If I80 is under water, half of CB, and most of downtown Omaha would have to already be under several feet. This would be a major disaster, and you would be evacuated already. The I-80 approaches from both CB and Omaha are on relatively high ground, so there's no real worry about them going under.

Thanks for your reply Ben. This is what I was thinking too, but I just hadn't heard any predictions about how this would affect I-80.

Still hoping for the best for all of us!!

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:54 pm

Brad wrote:
almighty_tuna wrote:Speaking of seepage...

...ok, seriously though. The train track crossing on riverfront drive might soon be a problem if there aren't pumps brought in.
There were guys in yellow vests looking at it last night. I saw on one of the trains forums it was completely under water down by Heartland of America Park.

Several large pumps were installed along the RR tracks, just to the east of Heartland park. Crews with smaller, portable pumps were closer to the crossing on Riverfront drive. It was been made passable again, and most of the surface water is gone (or at least below track level, where there are still puddles).

I'm fairly sure this wasn't seepage, but rather runoff. The I-480 bridge decks all runoff to down there, and then generally drain downhill, into the river. That's the one big problem with installing the floodwall closures, and closing off the storm sewer drains. If there is any rain, there's nowhere for it to go. That was just a light rain the other night that caused all of that. It will get pretty bad if we get a quick downpour, or even worse, a sustained dousing...

Post by **Brad** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:58 pm

That makes sense. I didn't think about the 480 bridge draining down there. Thanks Ben.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:13 am

So, dumb question here. Once the flood waters finally recede, later this summer or fall, are they just going to be able to clear off debris of the roadways, and re-open the sections of I-29 that have closed, or will they need major reconstruction due to the flooding?

I doubt much will happen to the actual concrete/asphalt surfaces, but I was thinking they might have some major erosion problems underneath.

Anyone on here have any experience in this area? An educated guess at how long it'd take them to get things back into usable shape?

bigredmed · Post by **bigredmed** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:14 am

Ben wrote:So, dumb question here. Once the flood waters finally recede, later this summer or fall, are they just going to be able to clear off debris of the roadways, and re-open the sections of I-29 that have closed, or will they need major reconstruction due to the flooding?

I doubt much will happen to the actual concrete/asphalt surfaces, but I was thinking they might have some major erosion problems underneath.

Anyone on here have any experience in this area? An educated guess at how long it'd take them to get things back into usable shape?

I think it depends on what the surface was made out of. KETV had a reporter in Washington county on Tuesday doing a story on the road closures there. They had footage of a section of county road that was submerged <48 hours to a depth of about 6 inches. You could see through the water at the road and it was getting chewed up already.

iamjacobm · Post by **iamjacobm** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:15 am

Heineman is going to declare Omaha a disaster area.

Post by **Brad** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:20 am

iamjacobm wrote:Heineman is going to declare Omaha a disaster area.

That's no different than declaring the crossroads blighted, its just a way to get money...

Omababe · Post by **Omababe** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:29 am

Brad wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:Heineman is going to declare Omaha a disaster area.
That's no different than declaring the crossroads blighted, its just a way to get money...

>>SHOCK<< Go after public funds?

Why not just let the private sector take care of this? (They certainly have the $$$ to do it, right?)

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:29 am

Yeah, it's already been declared a federal toxic superfund site... so it's not like there's any worse stigma which comes along with it.

joeglow · Post by **joeglow** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:01 pm

Omababe wrote:
Brad wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:Heineman is going to declare Omaha a disaster area.
That's no different than declaring the crossroads blighted, its just a way to get money...
>>SHOCK<< Go after public funds?

Why not just let the private sector take care of this? (They certainly have the $$$ to do it, right?)

But then you don't get the fun of watching emergency supplies show up in North Carolina.

DeWalt · Post by **DeWalt** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:49 pm

Omababe wrote:
Brad wrote:
iamjacobm wrote:Heineman is going to declare Omaha a disaster area.
That's no different than declaring the crossroads blighted, its just a way to get money...
>>SHOCK<< Go after public funds?

Why not just let the private sector take care of this? (They certainly have the $$$ to do it, right?)

It'd be more apt to happen if the government egos & entities would just get out of the way and stop holding up progress.

bbinks · Post by **bbinks** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Federal funds at the request of Heineman isn't entirely a bad thing. It would (could?) prevent a Suttle backed tax increase.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:14 pm

Impressive construction work underway at the pump house by the National Parks Service HQ on the river, by the ped bridge. They appear to be laying 12" pipe to connect from their pumps, above ground, out to the river. They're then covering the pipes laid with gravel to hold in place, and allow for crossing.

I'm guessing this is adding capacity (there are also 2 large temporary pumps onsite) as well as solving the problem the city seems to be seeing in several locations - that the exit pipes from sewer/pumphouses are underwater, in the river, not allowing them to be used.

Uffda · Post by **Uffda** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:51 am

Cant remember is this got posted here

The Mighty Missouri River defies the Army

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/opi ... 03286.html

TLGJames · Post by **TLGJames** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:38 am

Anyone know the best route to KC next week with the closures?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... =11&num=10

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Bryan1117 · Post by **Bryan1117** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:23 am

TLGJames wrote:Anyone know the best route to KC next week with the closures?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... =11&num=10

?

I am heading to Lawrence, KS on Monday - my plan is to take Highway 50 south to Highway 36 in Kansas - then east on 36 to Highway 75 south to Topeka - then I-70 east. Also another route (to Kansas City proper) would be to take I-80 over to C.B., south on I-29 to US Highway 34 at Glenwood. Then take Highway 34 east to Highway 59 South, which will avoid all the flooded stretches of I-29 between Omaha and Rockport, then follow Highway 59 south to Craig, MO where you will meet back up with I-29... then proceed on I-29 as normal.

iamjacobm · Post by **iamjacobm** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:33 am

A friend just told me that is snowed 2 inches in Montana last night.

HuskerDave · Post by **HuskerDave** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:25 am

Uffda wrote:Cant remember is this got posted here

The Mighty Missouri River defies the Army

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/news/opi ... 03286.html

If this guy's analysis is correct, that's some pretty scary stuff. No wonder the USACE is pouring out as much water as they can.

Uffda · Post by **Uffda** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:45 pm

Just made the trip to Sioux Falls this morning. Took Blair High road to Blair and then Hwy 30 to Missouri Valley and I-29 the rest of the way. Only saw one spot on I29 that was really close to the edge of the road, otherwise clear 'sailing'

zippy · Post by **zippy** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:35 pm

TLGJames wrote:Anyone know the best route to KC next week with the closures?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source= ... =11&num=10

?

My wife drove to KC on Friday. She took 50 to Hwy 2, east on 2 to Nebraska City, South on 75 to Auburn, then east on 136 to Rockport. Finally, south to KC. I think that's a pretty good route, unless your final destination is west of KC.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:20 pm

Nebraska Nuke Plant Notifies Feds of Missouri Flooding

KCRG wrote:The Nebraska Public Power District issued a flooding alert Sunday for its nuclear power plant in southeast Nebraska as the Missouri River continues to rise.

Mark Becker, a spokesman for the Columbus-based utility, said the "notification of unusual event" sent to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was expected as the river swells above record levels. The declaration is the least serious of four emergency notifications established by the federal commission.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:38 pm

From Pakastani news "The Nation"

US orders news blackout over crippled Nebraska Nuclear Plant: report

The Nation wrote:A shocking report prepared by Russia’s Federal Atomic Energy Agency (FAAE) on information provided to them by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) states that the Obama regime has ordered a “total and complete” news blackout relating to any information regarding the near catastrophic meltdown of the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant located in Nebraska.

According to this report, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant suffered a “catastrophic loss of cooling” to one of its idle spent fuel rod pools on 7 June after this plant was deluged with water caused by the historic flooding of the Missouri River which resulted in a fire causing the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) to issue a “no-fly ban” over the area.

Located about 20 minutes outside downtown Omaha, the largest city in Nebraska, the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant is owned by Omaha Public Power District (OPPD) who on their website denies their plant is at a “Level 4” emergency by stating: “This terminology is not accurate, and is not how emergencies at nuclear power plants are classified.”

Russian atomic scientists in this FAAE report, however, say that this OPPD statement is an “outright falsehood” as all nuclear plants in the world operate under the guidelines of the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale (INES) which clearly states the “events” occurring at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant do, indeed, put it in the “Level 4” emergency category of an “accident with local consequences” thus making this one of the worst nuclear accidents in US history.

Though this report confirms independent readings in the United States of “negligible release of nuclear gasses” related to this accident it warns that by the Obama regimes censoring of this event for “political purposes” it risks a “serious blowback” from the American public should they gain knowledge of this being hidden from them.

bigredmed · Post by **bigredmed** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:51 pm

Unless the Russians know more than the people still working at the plant today, I would have to say this is a clever anti-American propaganda piece. Looked pretty secure when I was by there about 90 minutes ago.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:00 pm

Considering American-Pakistani relations are at an all time low (Pakistan just again tipped off terrorist at a bomb making factory about a raid) I'd say that it is just that - propaganda to make US look bad. Only reason I posted it.

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:05 pm

More importantly, will this cause parking problems for game 4 tonight?

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:38 pm

TLGJames wrote:Anyone know the best route to KC next week with the closures?

Best travel routes out of Omaha