Oak View Mall (144 & West Center Rd)

[nebugeater]

Not sure I buy into Hyvee quickly bailing.

Oakview built in 1991 and Hyvee some time soon after that.
Hyvee announces a new larger store at Stonybrook to replace this store in 2009. So 18 - 19 years. They wanted a bigger store with the new again design and as I remember it there was not perceived room to do what they wanted at Oakview. While the Oakview HyVee was stat of the art when built there was a lot of changes to the standard in those 18 years.

[Greg S]

Not sure I buy into Hyvee quickly bailing.

Oakview built in 1991 and Hyvee some time soon after that.
Hyvee announces a new larger store at Stonybrook to replace this store in 2009. So 18 - 19 years. They wanted a bigger store with the new again design and as I remember it there was not perceived room to do what they wanted at Oakview. While the Oakview HyVee was stat of the art when built there was a lot of changes to the standard in those 18 years.

I guess it wasn't quick bailing but was interesting they closed vs remodeled (like they did at many other locations in town). If they truly thought it was a good location they would have remodeled.

Greg

[nebugeater]

Not sure I buy into Hyvee quickly bailing.

Oakview built in 1991 and Hyvee some time soon after that.
Hyvee announces a new larger store at Stonybrook to replace this store in 2009. So 18 - 19 years. They wanted a bigger store with the new again design and as I remember it there was not perceived room to do what they wanted at Oakview. While the Oakview HyVee was stat of the art when built there was a lot of changes to the standard in those 18 years.

I guess it wasn't quick bailing but was interesting they closed vs remodeled (like they did at many other locations in town). If they truly thought it was a good location they would have remodeled.

Greg

While I think it is somewhat suspect I do recall them saying they did not have the footprint to add what they wanted / needed at the Oakview location.

[GrandpaaSmucker]

We loved our Hy-Vee out here in Millard when it was located where CVS is now at 143rd & U. I went to the Hy-Vee at 143rd & U all the time. The HY-Vee at 143rd & U was packed always with shoppers. Then Hy-Vee got too smart and outsmarted themselves. The brain trusts that decided to move to the Oak View Mall assumed that it was close to the 143rd & U location and we would all just migrate up to the new Oak View Hy-Vee. They were wrong big time. Almost instantly when the new Hy-Vee opened at Oak View Mall it became evident that the old stores shoppers were not migrating to the new store in mass. It was obvious the first 2 years the store was open that the old Millard store had been doing better then the new store at Oak View was . Even though Oak View looks and is close to us out here in Millard its not close enough. We all went to Bakers instead of driving out to OakView. Hy-Vee lost a huge market share in Millard in the mid 90's by gambling on the move to OakView. It was a huge stupid mistake not to build that store close to where it was before. It took Hy-Vee some 15-20 years to own up to this fact and when they did move back to Millard the people flocked back to the store in droves.

[Stargazer]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

[GrandpaaSmucker]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

These Real Estate Investment guys are tight. I'm not in the Real Estate game but my common sense tells me their is no way in Gods green earth that would ever happen.

[Garrett]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

[bigredmed1]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

REI would certainly have the potential space to build climbing walls or other activity areas to market their goods and without Canfield's in the market, they would effectively have no real competition given that Bass-belas is concentrating on hunting and fishing only.

[buildomaha]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

REI would certainly have the potential space to build climbing walls or other activity areas to market their goods and without Canfield's in the market, they would effectively have no real competition given that Bass-belas is concentrating on hunting and fishing only.

You don't think Scheels provides any competition in that market?

[omaha79]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

REI would certainly have the potential space to build climbing walls or other activity areas to market their goods and without Canfield's in the market, they would effectively have no real competition given that Bass-belas is concentrating on hunting and fishing only.

You don't think Scheels provides any competition in that market?

So, let me get this straight? The suggestion is to put REI at Westroads because they are a "new to Omaha" retailer? So, then who replaces Dicks at Westroads? Can't have 2 sporting goods stores at one mall, I'd say.

[Garrett]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

REI would certainly have the potential space to build climbing walls or other activity areas to market their goods and without Canfield's in the market, they would effectively have no real competition given that Bass-belas is concentrating on hunting and fishing only.

You don't think Scheels provides any competition in that market?

So, let me get this straight? The suggestion is to put REI at Westroads because they are a "new to Omaha" retailer? So, then who replaces Dicks at Westroads? Can't have 2 sporting goods stores at one mall, I'd say.

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

[damonhynes]

We all went to Bakers instead of driving out to OakView. Hy-Vee lost a huge market share in Millard in the mid 90's by gambling on the move to OakView. It was a huge stupid mistake not to build that store close to where it was before. It took Hy-Vee some 15-20 years to own up to this fact and when they did move back to Millard the people flocked back to the store in droves.

And when Hy-Vee came back to Millard...you ditched Baker's? Just wondering--Deerfield disappeared awfully quickly. Strange.

[Stargazer]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

[debradomayer]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

[buildomaha]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

What reason would anyone have for going into somewhere named "The Container Store?" I can get containers on Amazon, or drive a mile down the road to Walmart or Target and get what is so special that it needs its own mall spot.

[nebugeater]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

Why would you see a shopping bag? They can put the purchases in one of the containers just purchased.

[omaha79]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

Interesting that this is the sentiment now as I remember quite a bit of buzz on this board when The Container Store was announced.

[omaha79]

I really do hope Dillard's considers a move to Westroads... of COURSE, the Oak View situation would see their demise if they stick it out there. You can place all the blame on Oak View if they end up leaving the market entirely. Dillard's is a good store, but they can't draw enough patrons on their own to sustain itself there. If GGP, or whoever is acquiring them, has any brains... they help subsidize that move.

I doubt Dillard’s is pulling good enough margins for them to want to do that. Why subsidize that move when Dillard’s downfall could just come in another 5 years? If GGP is really smart they’ll go for a new to the market retailer. Perhaps REI that Crossroads was said to have at one point?

REI would certainly have the potential space to build climbing walls or other activity areas to market their goods and without Canfield's in the market, they would effectively have no real competition given that Bass-belas is concentrating on hunting and fishing only.

You don't think Scheels provides any competition in that market?

So, let me get this straight? The suggestion is to put REI at Westroads because they are a "new to Omaha" retailer? So, then who replaces Dicks at Westroads? Can't have 2 sporting goods stores at one mall, I'd say.

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

I believe there would be enough overlap that if you opened REI in the Westroads that Dicks would be gone within a year. I'd feel relatively confident in that statement.

They may not be the exact same kind of store, but there is enough overlap that I believe they'd draw enough customers from each other to make it unworkable. Maybe some cities can support this kind of overlap at a mall, but I don't think Omaha can and certainly not in this retail climate. Maybe 20 years ago, but the game has changed.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

What reason would anyone have for going into somewhere named "The Container Store?" I can get containers on Amazon, or drive a mile down the road to Walmart or Target and get what is so special that it needs its own mall spot.

Oh come on...have any of you been inside the store? It's not just Rubbermaid containers. They're about helping you organize your home by maximizing space and efficiency. They sell custom closets, custom pantries, garage storage, shelves for your walls, etc.

[bigredmed1]

You don't think Scheels provides any competition in that market?

So, let me get this straight? The suggestion is to put REI at Westroads because they are a "new to Omaha" retailer? So, then who replaces Dicks at Westroads? Can't have 2 sporting goods stores at one mall, I'd say.
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Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out
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I believe there would be enough overlap that if you opened REI in the Westroads that Dicks would be gone within a year. I'd feel relatively confident in that statement.

They may not be the exact same kind of store, but there is enough overlap that I believe they'd draw enough customers from each other to make it unworkable. Maybe some cities can support this kind of overlap at a mall, but I don't think Omaha can and certainly not in this retail climate. Maybe 20 years ago, but the game has changed.
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I was not interested in putting REI in the Westroads, rather in the Oakview.

Scheels is not really able to compete with REI as there are too many directions in that store and not enough of the experts they seem to love to advertise on their commercials. Dick's has seriously damaged it's brand with the gun control stuff pulled earlier this year. Large numbers of people have determined to stop shopping there for any reason. Also Dick's sells a lot of crappy one season and done sporting goods and REI sells stuff people use for a long term hobby, serious sports participants only need to learn that lesson once.

[Louie]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/dicks-s ... nings.html

While I don't disagree with you, bigredmed, on REI being able to put Dick's out of business, you are so far incorrect about the gun policy affecting Dick's negatively.

[ProgKingHughesker]

My honest assumption is seeing Crate and Barrel and somebody else moving into WestRoads, Dillards anchoring WestFarm, and Oak View being left to die on the vine. Too bad it's too far from S24th to be remarketed as a Hispanic mall like several malls in Houston are reappearing as

[MSizlack]

Even without taking into account the struggles facing retailers, I seriously doubt any new to the Omaha market retailers such as REI, crate and barrel, or big name who ever, would even consider Westroads or Oakview. New to Omaha retailers will be looking at new "exciting" developments like the west farm development or even la vistas new golden mile. Oakviews future looks very much like Crossroads is today.

[obvious2677]

Dick's has seriously damaged it's brand with the gun control stuff pulled earlier this year. Large numbers of people have determined to stop shopping there for any reason.

Factually incorrect.

[omaha79]

Even without taking into account the struggles facing retailers, I seriously doubt any new to the Omaha market retailers such as REI, crate and barrel, or big name who ever, would even consider Westroads or Oakview. New to Omaha retailers will be looking at new "exciting" developments like the west farm development or even la vistas new golden mile. Oakviews future looks very much like Crossroads is today.

I absolutely agree.

I mentioned this when I talked about Oak View facing competition from West Farms. I think we can get into a trap of getting tunnel vision thinking about only Oak View and Westroads competing with each other in a vacuum.

I've argued for a long time that Omaha has over expanded in terms of retail. There have always been winners and losers every time new developments get built. Oak View has been damaged by Village Point and then the Shoppes on L St. This will only continue with West Farm.

Oak View feels like Crossroads 2.0 to me as well.

[Greg S]

Even without taking into account the struggles facing retailers, I seriously doubt any new to the Omaha market retailers such as REI, crate and barrel, or big name who ever, would even consider Westroads or Oakview. New to Omaha retailers will be looking at new "exciting" developments like the west farm development or even la vistas new golden mile. Oakviews future looks very much like Crossroads is today.

I would disagree on Westroads, case in point was Container Store.


Greg

[Greg S]

Dick's has seriously damaged it's brand with the gun control stuff pulled earlier this year. Large numbers of people have determined to stop shopping there for any reason.

Factually incorrect.

I agree obvious2677. Dick's shares jumped 26% in May as their latest earnings exceeded expectations and estimates for the year were revised updward, not downward.

Greg

[obvious2677]

Dick's has seriously damaged it's brand with the gun control stuff pulled earlier this year. Large numbers of people have determined to stop shopping there for any reason.

Factually incorrect.

I agree obvious2677. Dick's shares jumped 26% in May as their latest earnings exceeded expectations and estimates for the year were revised updward, not downward.

Greg

Their net sales last quarter were up by $83.5 million. So whatever "large numbers of people" that stopped shopping there were more than offset by "larger numbers of people" who determined to shop there.

[TheSeventhBrat]

We all went to Bakers instead of driving out to OakView. Hy-Vee lost a huge market share in Millard in the mid 90's by gambling on the move to OakView. It was a huge stupid mistake not to build that store close to where it was before. It took Hy-Vee some 15-20 years to own up to this fact and when they did move back to Millard the people flocked back to the store in droves.

And when Hy-Vee came back to Millard...you ditched Baker's? Just wondering--Deerfield disappeared awfully quickly. Strange.

Not so strange. Kroger didn't want to lease from a Jack Baker held company. None of the current Baker's sit on PDM owned property.

[jessep28]

Baker's Deerfield was doomed way before that new Hy-Vee was built.

[TheSeventhBrat]

Baker's Deerfield was doomed way before that new Hy-Vee was built.

Baker's Deerfield was closed way before Hy-Vee Stonybrook even opened.

[GrandpaaSmucker]

Baker's Deerfield was doomed way before that new Hy-Vee was built.

Baker's Deerfield was closed way before Hy-Vee Stonybrook even opened.

Not so! HyVee opened in Spring of 2010 and Bakers closed Fall of 2011. I can remember going to both on the same day before.

[Joe_Sovereign]

Sears at Oakview is closing in September

[Linkin5]

Grow Omaha mentioned a hospital taking over all of some of Oakview.

[Coyote]

Grow Omaha mentioned a hospital taking over all of some of Oakview.

OrthoNebraska Emergency is there (former Dr.s of OrthoWest).
They also mentioned a retirement village or maybe assisted living...
I don't remember if this was their rumor Or hope...

[lbmom5]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

Hey! I work At The Container Store-we're not going anywhere!

[ricko]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

Hey! I work At The Container Store-we're not going anywhere!

You could look at it this way. All those elderly people will be living in the same building, and you could talk them into buying containers to store things, like their teeth and stuff.

[buildomaha]

I was brainstorming about turning the mall into a sort of Do Space on steroids and realized that there isn't anything that can be done with a huge enclosure like that. Enclosed malls are one of the worst phases America could've had. Even the original designer of the first mall regretted creating the beast that is the American shopping mall. You literally can't do anything with huge, two-story, windowless boxes that would benefit the public.

[Louie]

I was brainstorming about turning the mall into a sort of Do Space on steroids and realized that there isn't anything that can be done with a huge enclosure like that. Enclosed malls are one of the worst phases America could've had. Even the original designer of the first mall regretted creating the beast that is the American shopping mall. You literally can't do anything with huge, two-story, windowless boxes that would benefit the public.

Expansive paintball or airsoft field maybe?

[lbmom5]

Dicks is more so sporting goods, REI is more outdoor gear. Two very different markets. Besides, malls of the past did just fine having 4+ department stores.

My main point is get a relevant retailer, not one that’s on its way out

Put it in the Container Store spot... which surely must be leaving soon. I mean, who shops at this place? I sure wish this had been a Crate and Barrel instead.

I agree with a Crate & Barrel! Working at Westroads, I can tell you I have never been in the Container/Tupperware Store. And you very rarely see people with shopping bags from there.

Since The Container Store is a junior anchor and has it's own outside entrance, no, you working inside the mall wouldn't necessarily see many our our bags.