buildomaha wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:28 pm
RockHarbor wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:32 am
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:48 pm
RockHarbor wrote: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:26 am
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:57 pm
Greg S wrote: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:34 am
Wasn't Fahey the one that negotiated the deal with the unions that led to the spiking? I remember the fireman under his watch went crazy with it.
No way Stothert could have saved Con Agra. Once they brought in the new CEO it was a done deal. He was moving them back to Chicago no matter what. That was pretty obvious.
Greg
Yes, it was Fahey..
And you’re also correct.. once current CEO Sean Connolly got his meat hooks into ConAgra, he was going to uproot the HQ’s to Chicago and nothing was going to stop that...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
I thought that was so kinda strange. It felt like a "college kid wanting to move off to the big city" and take everybody with him, if they wanted to go -- or something.
It was very strange.. But at the same time tactical and predictable. As soon as it became feasibly possible, Connolly bailed and took ConAgra with him. I remember reading at the time his wife "yearned" to leave Omaha to live in Chicago too.. Whatever..
Oh well. What's done is done...
Ciao..LiO...Peace
Interesting. When I go to Chicago, of course, I'm gawking at all the buildings, and loving the urban textures & cityscape -- and culture & diversity. But, any family/relatives (from the Omaha area) that go to Chicago don't think its that big of a deal. (In fact, I laugh, because driving into Chicago, the striking Sears/Willis Tower looks so dang tall, but somebody in the car with me expressed they thought it looked the same height of the Woodmen Tower -- which is less than 1/3rd of the height. They just couldnt see the true scale.) So, I'm wondering why Chicago was such a big deal to an Omaha couple? Were they originally from that area and wanted to move back? Or, did they want more big city culture & sports? Or, were they into buildings & architecture? Anyways, I guess it was meant to be... The "Con Agra chapter" for Omaha came to a close. Con Agra did do good things economically for Downtown Omaha, just not asthetically urban-wise. And, finally we have a chance to reclaim Downtown Omaha from their former much despised suburban style village that intrudes on Downtown, but city planners are obviously not taking that opportunity at all... Dont get it. (I remember I was in 7th grade when that was all announced, and I was so excited as it all got built. And, I am thankful for Con Agra's boost to Downtown Omaha. In my HS years, it was an overall cleaner downtown to hang w/ friends. The lake & fountain was a nice addition. But now, I cant stand that low & spacious suburban campus in the long evening shadows of Omaha's taller & tighter buildings, and want it all dismantled & removed, knowing what I know now about urban design. Omaha deserves a tight, compact, urban downtown like Chicago, Minneapolis, St Paul, Kansas City, St Louis, Milwaukee, even Des Moines has. Just feels partly "loosey goosey" and spread thin, like Brasilia or something, and I'm hating it. What are they thinking?)
I've never been to Chicago, but I had a similar experience in New York. The height of all the buildings was cool of course, but I wasn't blown away like I was expecting to be. What really got me were things like: street life, Times Square, dollar pizza, a dance party in Bryant Park, the pace of life, Grand Central Station, culture, people singing in the subway, Chinatown, and all the things that actually impact YOU walking down the street. The skyline provides the BEST backdrop to all of this, and that is what makes New York the iconic city that it is. BUT, I will say that seeing One World Trade Center rising up out of the ashes of the 9/11 memorial is one of the most powerful symbols you could experience. Chicago is and always will be the second city, but it doesn't have the cultural draw and complete cultural dominance that a city like New York has.
And yes, Omaha has a very "loosey goosey" downtown, but I think that's changing with things like the Capitol district and other infill projects. IMO I think the real cultural center of Omaha is midtown. Of course downtown is the CBD of the region, but midtown is so dynamic and culturally active. With UNO, Dundee, beautiful architecture around Happy Hollow, UNMC and Blackstone exploring. The amazing parks and meandering boulevards make it the most beautiful area in Omaha, hands down. It seems like everything is just "happening" in midtown. And when the streetcar is eventually built, the two will become more linked, but I think it will provide even more of an incentive for midtown to continue to explode.
I agree that Chicago just doesnt have quite what NYC has -- I think everybody would agree with that. Its the difference between being a city on the coast, verses a city on a lake in the interior. After experiencing the urban & coastal delights in NYC (it can almost feel zesty & refreshing like Seattle or San Fran can w/ the water), I think its hard to be fully content living in Chicago (although Chicago is great, and one of the world's best cities).
I like how you pointed out how the buildings serve as a great daily backdrop, but the true allure & delights of the city happens more at street level. Thats how I feel, too. The big count of skyscrapers, although wondrous & exciting in their own right, can "grow dim" quickly, as skyscrapers aren't what life's all about. (I had the chance to visit NYC in 1999 and several times in 2015, and as much as I like the new tall, sleek needled skyscraper at Ground Zero, I have to say, it doesnt look as mighty, big & powerful as those WTC buildings. I can remember being up near Central Park in 1999, and looking down a main NE-SW avenue on the west side, and those buildings were large & jumbo, and looming from a distance, standing in the Wall Street area. I also had the chance to visit them, and go up in them. Believe me; they were BIG. To me, if you go to NYC and expect to see BIG buildings, those twins totally satisfied.)
Omaha: Omaha does have a lot of urban beauty. I love Midtown. It may not be as sleek & sparkly as Minneapolis, nor as fanciful & ornate as Kansas City, but it still has a nice & basic & conventional look all its own. To me, the twin tower & Woodmen combo creates a unique, special, trademark civic image that helps set Omaha apart from cities like Tulsa. Two twin towers with thier angled arms reaching out toward you, standing above a library and a green park framed by other office buildings, with a famous insurance company's boxy tower standing beyond, and a beautiful new tall skyscraper standing just off to the right: That's Omaha's special-looking skyline.
For example, Tulsa's skyline has some nice buildings, and is even bigger than Omaha's, but it is still gives the impression of a batch of generic & basic boxes standing tightly together. Nothing is that memborable, or special about it (imo). It could be "Anywhere USA." Not that the Omaha skyline is famous and widely recognized, but still, is that what they want for Omaha? (I bet Des Moines would love to see Omaha lose that special statement. They just couldnt copy that back in the 1980s. It would have been "too obvious" if they did.) I cannot believe city planners & a mayor don't see the value in what we have here. "If something isnt broken, dont try to fix it." I understand skylines change, and "nothing lasts forever." I understand Gene Leahy Mall may need a freshening up, and the sunken lagoon isnt typical of great cities, and flat, long city parks (with design perks like curvy sidewalks) are "en vogue" right now. But, you don't carelessly & senselessly ruin that striking & memorable & signature & trademark civic statement that was puposefully designed and put together just around 35 years ago, a great visual that is unique to Omaha alone, standing at the end of a long open-air corridor (created by the void of the park cut into city), while acting like you're just simply updating the park with a new look & better function. Really? Who do they think they are fooling here?

I can get pushed out because I'm "too much" for some. Then, an observer of me comes suddenly swooping in to "fill my shoes." People are always more accepting of the new one, because their feathers aren't truly ruffled by them. (Yawn) I can count on it every time.