nebport5 wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:07 am
ita wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:13 am
nebport5 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:42 am
ita wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:04 pm
halgy wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:11 pm
Well now that the streetcar is happening, that stretch of 16th is going to be a pretty prime location. Lots of possibilities for fresh development and updates. Yeah it sucks that it was abandoned for so long, but upgrading these types of underdeveloped areas is largely why I'm excited for the streetcar in general.
This! I tried contacting City+Ventures last fall, and they indicated some changes to their plans for Central Park Plaza since MOO and the streetcar were announced earlier in the year including incorporating multifamily. I can only hope that Parkfair Garage gets a revamp. I personally want to see multifamily built on top of Parkfair along with activation on the street level.
I don't know if it's under new property management, but the retail spaces at the Securities Building are finally being marketed for lease. If those get some tenants and Payne finally gets King Fong's going again, that would be a big boost to 16th while we see what happens with Parkfair and CPP.
If CPP redeveloped the west side of the property it could be a significant catalyst for 16th St.
Let's also not forget elements of the master plan than involve terminating a terminating hotel. We could perhaps, plant a new
Tree, say on the old U.P. lot.
I know everyone hates the doubletree because it cuts off 16th Street, but wanting to demolish it is unnecessary, at least for a while. If you're concerned about 16th Street, let's take care of the bunches of parking lots/garages between dodge and Jones with no street level activation first.
If you want to rectify cutting off downtown and north downtown, let's take down i-480 and redevelop those lots. If you want to further activate the area, let's get civic site and old UP site developed. If you really want to open up 16th to connect the first national data center (or whatever that is), federal office building and 16th parking garage with historic 16th, let's explore doing so for pedestrians and bikes. If after all that you want to knock down one of the few highrises we have downtown, just so cars can drive through 16th Street, go right ahead, as long as we have a developer willing to develop the small skinny lot it will leave behind with something of similar height.
Some of this is apparently more radical than taking down the Double Tree. And I'm all for it. Yet, the point of taking down the Double Tree is not really about cars but pedestrian traffic and maybe bikes if we can develop a non-suicidal infrastructure.
I think knocking down a perfectly usable building versus developing huge empty lots in downtown is much more radical, particularly if the point is to open 16th for pedestrians. I think the City, if they were concerned about connectivity of 16th, could require some better wayfinding or access through the lobby. There is even a back door on Capitol Street.
Anyone can walk through the Regus/Landmark lobby to get to and from Farnam and Harney.
From a practicality standpoint in coming up with some solution, whatever it could be, ownership of the property is more complicated than most lots. FNBO owns the land, while there is a standing lease to the owner of the building, which has passed hands a few times over the decades since it was built. So, if the City wants some better connectivity there, they will have to work with split ownership.
Still, I hope there is some future development south of the Doubletree. As I stated before, Parkfair is a candidate for some street level activation and there could be a huge residential component to CPP if City+Ventures and its billionaire owner can do something about it. Maybe the Omaha Building garage on the NW corner of Harney and 16th is redeveloped due to the streetcar? High rise residential/mixed use with street level retail/office space? Brandeis ground floor units get leased up. Securities building and King Fong fill up. Then you could have two solid blocks of potential retail and services to activate the area? Might not be the glory of the past, but it could be a nice strip that would support the FNBO campus and Orpheum Theater on the bookends, County and City offices nearby, and all the residents already living there and potentially living there post-streetcar.