Old Union Pacific Headquarters Lot

[bldgengineer2015]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

[jomaha9]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

[Hawkeye]

All right, Hawkeye. Your next challenge - a photoshop picture of the 700 foot tall tower.....AND a 20-story (just slightly taller than UP?) building on the current main library site!

So maybe somethin' like this?? I admit, I struggled to pick the right angle, but thought this one was pretty good. Gives you a decent idea anyway. Subjects used as placeholders...8500 Normandale Lake Tower (Bloomington, MN) for the library site, and Salesforce Tower (San Francisco) for the Lanoha/1416 site.

[Omaha Cowboy]

All right, Hawkeye. Your next challenge - a photoshop picture of the 700 foot tall tower.....AND a 20-story (just slightly taller than UP?) building on the current main library site!

So maybe somethin' like this?? I admit, I struggled to pick the right angle, but thought this one was pretty good. Gives you a decent idea anyway. Subjects used as placeholders...8500 Normandale Lake Tower (Bloomington, MN) for the library site, and Salesforce Tower (San Francisco) for the Lanoha/1416 site.

Looks great ..

Another fantastic photoshop…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Omaha Cowboy]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

It’s possible..with things in rumor status, anything is possible..

But I’ll say this, when I meet with my Cryptic Rumor Department last week, I was told that much of the land area marked for “future development” along our Riverfront Redevelopment plan, will be earmarked for multiple mid rise type building developments.. If somehow, we snag a 700 plus foot skyscraper, a 20 story highrise, and multiple 10-14 story midrise developments..My goodness what a game changing look for our downtown core area within the next 5 or so years …

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[NEDodger]

All right, Hawkeye. Your next challenge - a photoshop picture of the 700 foot tall tower.....AND a 20-story (just slightly taller than UP?) building on the current main library site!

So maybe somethin' like this?? I admit, I struggled to pick the right angle, but thought this one was pretty good. Gives you a decent idea anyway. Subjects used as placeholders...8500 Normandale Lake Tower (Bloomington, MN) for the library site, and Salesforce Tower (San Francisco) for the Lanoha/1416 site.

Nice!!!

[Vitruvius]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

Placing a new library on that site would also be good.

[jomaha9]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

Placing a new library on that site would also be good.

I agree. I think the main library should be downtown. Just pointing out another potential location for the cryptic tower.

[OutoftheCanyon]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

Placing a new library on that site would also be good.

I agree. I think the main library should be downtown. Just pointing out another potential location for the cryptic tower.

Pretty sure the Main Library is going to be at 72nd and Dodge. There needs to be a site downtown, but where it is is up in the air.

Realistically, it needs to be away from the park since the transient population tends to hang out in those locales.
I’m sure MECA won’t want that to happen.

[Omaha Cowboy]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

Placing a new library on that site would also be good.

Agreed..

Also, as I’ve intimated on the forum several times, a nice spot would be along the Riverfront where the Luminarium Science Museum is currently under construction.. I’d even take the Civic site.. What I don’t believe is a good idea, at all, is moving an information resource/amenity like our main library away from the downtown core.. Such a move flies in the face of the reasoning for spending so much money redeveloping our core from the GLM to the Riverfront- which is to attract developments..and at a minimum, retaining what you already have located there..

But I digress from our 1416 Dodge talk…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Athomsfere]

The lot jomaha9 is talking about is the lot at the end of the park between 13th and 14th street. Per the Riverfront website this lot is earmarked for future development.

That is correct. I was referring to the westernmost lot of the mall. It was pegged for future redevelopment and is shovel ready.

Placing a new library on that site would also be good.

Agreed..

Also, as I’ve intimated on the forum several times, a nice spot would be along the Riverfront where the Luminarium Science Museum is currently under construction.. I’d even take the Civic site.. What I don’t believe is a good idea, at all, is moving an information resource/amenity like our main library away from the downtown core.. Such a move flies in the face of the reasoning for spending so much money redeveloping our core from the GLM to the Riverfront- which is to attract developments..and at a minimum, retaining what you already have located there..

But I digress from our 1416 Dodge talk…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

Yep, we have digressed a lot, but the library stuff is important IMO. No reason not to mention it a little in case a forum visitor reads only this thread and happens to discover the library issue by chance. Who knows, they might even turn out to be a tie breaker and help keep it downtown, where it belongs.

[omahahawk]

One view I think that we have neglected and one that would be impacted pretty dramatically is the view from 90th and Dodge looking East. A new 50 + story building DT would make a significantly different view from this vantage replacing FNBO as the tallest. However, any talk on this stuff is clearly wrapped up extremely tight in the board rooms considering we have been talking about this for weeks and haven't heard a single word about it in the local news. Really hoping some efforts are being made to get information from the powers that be and that they spill the beans soon.

[Omaha Cowboy]

One view I think that we have neglected and one that would be impacted pretty dramatically is the view from 90th and Dodge looking East. A new 50 + story building DT would make a significantly different view from this vantage replacing FNBO as the tallest. However, any talk on this stuff is clearly wrapped up extremely tight in the board rooms considering we have been talking about this for weeks and haven't heard a single word about it in the local news. Really hoping some efforts are being made to get information from the powers that be and that they spill the beans soon.

That’s a good point on the view for sure..

And I agree. All me have right now are rumors..and speaking for myself, the Cryptic Rumor Department sources I receive Intel from are rock solid..

1416 Dodge has been ripe for development for 15 years now. Keeping our fingers crossed we get some sort of proposal feedback before the end of the year…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Night Train]

One view I think that we have neglected and one that would be impacted pretty dramatically is the view from 90th and Dodge looking East. A new 50 + story building DT would make a significantly different view from this vantage replacing FNBO as the tallest. However, any talk on this stuff is clearly wrapped up extremely tight in the board rooms considering we have been talking about this for weeks and haven't heard a single word about it in the local news. Really hoping some efforts are being made to get information from the powers that be and that they spill the beans soon.

That’s true! It would be great to see what that view might be like if this gets built.

This also made me think of what the view with a 700 footer would look like from north 1-29 between Omaha and Missouri Valley. You can actually see the FNBO from Missouri Valley which is 20+ miles away (flat river valley between the two allows this).

[Doctor Fate]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

[Garrett]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

I was hoping the reddit thread would draw additional attention outside of what our little forum normally does. Interesting. Maybe our speculation that it's here and not the library or park sites is wrong.

[Coyote]

Just what was this Reddit production all about?

[Doctor Fate]

Just what was this Reddit production all about?

The OP of the Reddit thread saw our discussion here about the 700 ft tower and a discussion started there. Atmosfere was part of the discussion and posted a link back to eOmaha.

[Bob from Omaha]

This, the civic property, the library property, and on and on.

I'm old and cranky and in the end I will believe any of them turn out to be impressive or even built when I see the grand opening. 700 ft tower? I just have a hard time believing that there is a demand for it.

[Vitruvius]

This, the civic property, the library property, and on and on.

I'm old and cranky and in the end I will believe any of them turn out to be impressive or even built when I see the grand opening. 700 ft tower? I just have a hard time believing that there is a demand for it.

I tend to agree with you. Aren't some floors of First National vacant? Midtown Crossing? what about other vacant street level bays in places like Aksarben Village?

[mgoett]

Here is a thought. Could it be Markle moving headquarters to Omaha?

[nebport5]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

I was hoping the reddit thread would draw additional attention outside of what our little forum normally does. Interesting. Maybe our speculation that it's here and not the library or park sites is wrong.

Or perhaps the rumors are accurate here, yet if the library lot was free of the library Lanoha would be as interested in developing there as well. You have to admit the library lot will have the advantage of an iconic location with the completion of GLM. It's not unfathomable that multiple developers would be interested(as per Stohert).

[Vitruvius]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

I was hoping the reddit thread would draw additional attention outside of what our little forum normally does. Interesting. Maybe our speculation that it's here and not the library or park sites is wrong.

Or perhaps the rumors are accurate here, yet if the library lot was free of the library Lanoha would be as interested in developing there as well. You have to admit the library lot will have the advantage of an iconic location with the completion of GLM. It's not unfathomable that multiple developers would be interested(as per Stohert).

Building a new "tallest" tower on the library lot is a bad idea. Build a "tallest" tower on the Civic site. Replace the W. Dale with a new library or something that allows a pleasant thoughtful transition to the new park... in other words good design.

[Doctor Fate]

Building a new "tallest" tower on the library lot is a bad idea. Build a "tallest" tower on the Civic site. Replace the W. Dale with a new library or something that allows a pleasant thoughtful transition to the new park... in other words good design.

And what if the developer of a high rise wants to have an anchor before construction starts, but no potential anchors want to be on the Civic site and instead want to be at the library site? Would you then just not build the high rise because you want a new library at the current library site? Just say "no thanks" to a company with at least hundreds of potential employees coming downtown because you would rather have a pleasant aesthetic transition to the park?

[OutoftheCanyon]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

I was hoping the reddit thread would draw additional attention outside of what our little forum normally does. Interesting. Maybe our speculation that it's here and not the library or park sites is wrong.

Or perhaps the rumors are accurate here, yet if the library lot was free of the library Lanoha would be as interested in developing there as well. You have to admit the library lot will have the advantage of an iconic location with the completion of GLM. It's not unfathomable that multiple developers would be interested(as per Stohert).

Building a new "tallest" tower on the library lot is a bad idea. Build a "tallest" tower on the Civic site. Replace the W. Dale with a new library or something that allows a pleasant thoughtful transition to the new park... in other words good design.

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

[Doctor Fate]

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

This is exactly what I was told was the plan. A stepped up office building on the lot east of the Dale Clark Library, a taller office building on the library site, and the rumored 700 footer on the Lanoha site.

[OutoftheCanyon]

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

This is exactly what I was told was the plan. A stepped up office building on the lot east of the Dale Clark Library, a taller office building on the library site, and the rumored 700 footer on the Lanoha site.

Let’s all hope we get this announcement in the next 2 weeks. That way we know the site and design of the building. This will help spur more development in a positive.way downtown.

It is exciting to think that I’m 10 years the downtown we know today will unrecognizable.

[Doctor Fate]

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

This is exactly what I was told was the plan. A stepped up office building on the lot east of the Dale Clark Library, a taller office building on the library site, and the rumored 700 footer on the Lanoha site.

Let’s all hope we get this announcement in the next 2 weeks. That way we know the site and design of the building. This will help spur more development in a positive.way downtown.

It is exciting to think that I’m 10 years the downtown we know today will unrecognizable.

I agree! I think I've heard that a little closer to Christmas we will get the announcement on the library site. Cowboy has said that sometime in Q1 2022 is when we will hear about the Lanoha proposal.

[OutoftheCanyon]

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

This is exactly what I was told was the plan. A stepped up office building on the lot east of the Dale Clark Library, a taller office building on the library site, and the rumored 700 footer on the Lanoha site.

Let’s all hope we get this announcement in the next 2 weeks. That way we know the site and design of the building. This will help spur more development in a positive.way downtown.

It is exciting to think that I’m 10 years the downtown we know today will unrecognizable.

I agree! I think I've heard that a little closer to Christmas we will get the announcement on the library site. Cowboy has said that sometime in Q1 2022 is when we will hear about the Lanoha proposal.

I will say I’m pretty confident from what I’ve heard that the library site is the one to get the 700’ tower. Even the Mayor gave it a nod in the press conference. If that is so…what hits the Lanoha site?

[Garrett]

Who knows, maybe we’re talking about 2 different 700 footers. That would definitely make up for 20 years of nothing.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

In the mayor's press conference today, during the Q&A someone asked her about the rumor on Reddit about a downtown tower. That Reddit topic was shared on here earlier in this thread. The Stothert just shook her head and said, "I don't know about that rumor." LOL

I was hoping the reddit thread would draw additional attention outside of what our little forum normally does. Interesting. Maybe our speculation that it's here and not the library or park sites is wrong.

Or perhaps the rumors are accurate here, yet if the library lot was free of the library Lanoha would be as interested in developing there as well. You have to admit the library lot will have the advantage of an iconic location with the completion of GLM. It's not unfathomable that multiple developers would be interested(as per Stohert).

Building a new "tallest" tower on the library lot is a bad idea. Build a "tallest" tower on the Civic site. Replace the W. Dale with a new library or something that allows a pleasant thoughtful transition to the new park... in other words good design.

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

Exactly. Plus a tower equals a lot more potential park users than a library.

[NEDodger]

Who knows, maybe we’re talking about 2 different 700 footers. That would definitely make up for 20 years of nothing.

Thanks, jerk. Now anything less is going to feel like a disappointment.

[Vitruvius]

Or perhaps the rumors are accurate here, yet if the library lot was free of the library Lanoha would be as interested in developing there as well. You have to admit the library lot will have the advantage of an iconic location with the completion of GLM. It's not unfathomable that multiple developers would be interested(as per Stohert).

Building a new "tallest" tower on the library lot is a bad idea. Build a "tallest" tower on the Civic site. Replace the W. Dale with a new library or something that allows a pleasant thoughtful transition to the new park... in other words good design.

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

The Civic site does lend itself to the "tallest" tower. It's a larger parcel and 480 hovers on the North. A tower there rising up above 480 would lessen 480's dominance because of the tower's verticality. The North side of a tower there, below the level of 480, would likely be the side with service entrances or loading docks, etc. I find it easy to visualize and imagine as one would drive on 480. It would be give a great sense of mass and height.

[GetUrban]

The Civic site is on the outskirts and doesn’t lend itself for a “tallest” tower site. Having this go on the library site is good design. You can have your “step up, smooth transition” on the lot directly east. This also gives us the perfect skyline picture. Coming in on Abbott or on the Bob you will have 3 towers in a line giving a great shot. Also, the shots from the Stadium will be great as well.

The Civic site does lend itself to the "tallest" tower. It's a larger parcel and 480 hovers on the North. A tower there rising up above 480 would lessen 480's dominance because of the tower's verticality. The North side of a tower there, below the level of 480, would likely be the side with service entrances or loading docks, etc. I find it easy to visualize and imagine as one would drive on 480. It would be give a great sense of mass and height.

I think we’d Get a better “Urban” feel in downtown by having our high-rise towers grouped closer together, by locating the new towers on the current library site and the old U.P. Site (Lanoha site). It’s true that it will be quite an abrupt transition having it right at the west end of GLM where it will also cast a long shadow onto the park in the afternoon. But abrupt transitions between buildings and open space can be good too, take Central Park in NYC as the best example, although it’s on a much larger scale obviously. The Civic site is at a higher base elevation, so that would amplify the overall appearance of height. I think a high rise on the Civic site would look odd so close to Central High and Joslyn not far to the west. It would also detract from Central High’s dominance which was also the site of the first Nebraska territorial Capitol building.

[jomaha9]

I cannot see a high rise bring built in the Civic site as long as 16th Street is cut off at the Doubletree. If the street is reopened, we might see larger development at the Civic. For now, I think adding residents to downtown is the top priority and the current Civic site plan accomplishes this.

I agree that grouping highrises near the mall would look better and is also a more likely result.

[Bob from Omaha]

The civic site is at a much higher elevation than the mall area. A 700 foot tower would look significantly taller there than by the mall.

Just saying.

[Vitruvius]

I cannot see a high rise bring built in the Civic site as long as 16th Street is cut off at the Doubletree. If the street is reopened, we might see larger development at the Civic. For now, I think adding residents to downtown is the top priority and the current Civic site plan accomplishes this.

I agree that grouping highrises near the mall would look better and is also a more likely result.

Time to remove the Doubletree then... one of the biggest design mistakes in the city. And I can't imagine anyone wanting to live with 480 hovering over them or as the view from their window.
Add residents by building that residential that was shown in the flyover plan... down near the riverfront adjacent to the mall... north side.

[GetUrban]

The civic site is at a much higher elevation than the mall area. A 700 foot tower would look significantly taller there than by the mall.

Just saying.

True, The Civic site slopes from 1080’ elevation at the west side down to 1040’ on the east side. The Library is at 1035’ all the way around. But having the main entry on the east side at 17th street at 1040’ would make the most sense rather than somewhere along the sloped Capitol Ave, or in the shadows of I-480 on the North side. So with that in mind, the entry into the building would only be 5’ higher at the civic site along 17th. If the entry was on 19th, it would be at 1055’ toward the northwest side, which is 20’ higher than the Dale Clark Library site.

[nebport5]

The Civic site does lend itself to the "tallest" tower. It's a larger parcel and 480 hovers on the North. A tower there rising up above 480 would lessen 480's dominance because of the tower's verticality. The North side of a tower there, below the level of 480, would likely be the side with service entrances or loading docks, etc. I find it easy to visualize and imagine as one would drive on 480. It would be give a great sense of mass and height.

I think we’d Get a better “Urban” feel in downtown by having our high-rise towers grouped closer together, by locating the new towers on the current library site and the old U.P. Site (Lanoha site). It’s true that it will be quite an abrupt transition having it right at the west end of GLM where it will also cast a long shadow onto the park in the afternoon. But abrupt transitions between buildings and open space can be good too, take Central Park in NYC as the best example, although it’s on a much larger scale obviously. The Civic site is at a higher base elevation, so that would amplify the overall appearance of height. I think a high rise on the Civic site would look odd so close to Central High and Joslyn not far to the west. It would also detract from Central High’s dominance which was also the site of the first Nebraska territorial Capitol building.

Yes, this. I think it would make a more balanced skyline. Still the Civic site is huge, enough for multiple developments. A mid-rise or 20-25 story structure could add some nice density. A 700 footer however, definitely would look out of place.

[jomaha9]

I cannot see a high rise bring built in the Civic site as long as 16th Street is cut off at the Doubletree. If the street is reopened, we might see larger development at the Civic. For now, I think adding residents to downtown is the top priority and the current Civic site plan accomplishes this.

I agree that grouping highrises near the mall would look better and is also a more likely result.

Time to remove the Doubletree then... one of the biggest design mistakes in the city. And I can't imagine anyone wanting to live with 480 hovering over them or as the view from their window.
Add residents by building that residential that was shown in the flyover plan... down near the riverfront adjacent to the mall... north side.

Yes! Honestly, the DoubleTree is near the end of it's useful life and I don't think that removing it is outside the realm of possibility. Regarding the rumors of new highrises, I would think a replacement for the DoubleTree could be a potential tenant. A hotel combined with a corporate user would provide the needed anchors to get plans for a large tower off the ground.