The Duo (222 S 15 ST) formerly Central Park Plaza

[Ben]

Was the plan all along to vacate the buildings while they remodel? Or is the remodel even still on, with the MoO building taking its prime GLM view away?

[ita]

Was the plan all along to vacate the buildings while they remodel? Or is the remodel even still on, with the MoO building taking its prime GLM view away?

My understanding was yes, tenants were going to temporarily vacate during the renovation. However, the third tower plan is scrapped, by all accounts, and the no one knows if the renovation is still in play. I suspect it is, but as cermak alluded to, maybe this becomes a residential or mixed use building. Nothing new has been made public regarding city ventures new plans for this development.

[OPlaya]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away. I wish they'd reopen 16th St but that would mean the hotel needs to go away.

[Omaha Cowboy]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away.

My understanding is, that is a large reason behind why Markel is looking to move from their current Central Park Plaza location to a different locale in the metro (likely west Omaha)…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Athomsfere]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away.

My understanding is, that is a large reason behind why Markel is looking to move from their current Central Park Plaza location to a different locale in the metro (likely west Omaha)…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

They lost their view, so they want to move somewhere without any views? Not sure I get that sentiment.

[Doctor Fate]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away.

My understanding is, that is a large reason behind why Markel is looking to move from their current Central Park Plaza location to a different locale in the metro (likely west Omaha)…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

They lost their view, so they want to move somewhere without any views? Not sure I get that sentiment.

Especially with the amenities that will be coming online.

[Athomsfere]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away.

My understanding is, that is a large reason behind why Markel is looking to move from their current Central Park Plaza location to a different locale in the metro (likely west Omaha)…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

They lost their view, so they want to move somewhere without any views? Not sure I get that sentiment.

Especially with the amenities that will be coming online.

Exactly. Maybe becoming too competitive / expensive for Markel?

[Omaha Cowboy]

That's going to suck for whoever occupies this complex with the view going away.

My understanding is, that is a large reason behind why Markel is looking to move from their current Central Park Plaza location to a different locale in the metro (likely west Omaha)…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

They lost their view, so they want to move somewhere without any views? Not sure I get that sentiment.

Especially with the amenities that will be coming online.

Exactly. Maybe becoming too competitive / expensive for Markel?

Not sure any of this is the case.

I’m Just reporting intel from my source who works for Markel, that there is pretty serious consideration for them moving location from Central Park Plaza to another location in the metro due to the events of Mutual of Omaha breaking ground on their 44 story tower next month..

They may not move at all..But it’s being talked about in office from what I’ve been told…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Doctor Fate]

Not sure any of this is the case.

I’m Just reporting intel from my source who works for Markel, that there is pretty serious consideration for them moving location from Central Park Plaza to another location in the metro due to the events of Mutual of Omaha breaking ground on their 44 story tower next month..

They may not move at all..But it’s being talked about in office from what I’ve been told…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

Oh ok. So it's not a "for sure" move, just speculative/rumored?

[Omaha Cowboy]

Not sure any of this is the case.

I’m Just reporting intel from my source who works for Markel, that there is pretty serious consideration for them moving location from Central Park Plaza to another location in the metro due to the events of Mutual of Omaha breaking ground on their 44 story tower next month..

They may not move at all..But it’s being talked about in office from what I’ve been told…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

Oh ok. So it's not a "for sure" move, just speculative/rumored?

Not for sure or official. Just intel I received from my employee source at Markel…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[thenewguy]

To put this in context, Markel only occupies 4 floors of the building. Some of the reasons for moving (July time table) are kind of ridiculous, in my opinion.

[Omaha Cowboy]

I can confirm, from my source at Markel, the move is now a done deal as they just announced it internally this past week..

Their lease is up in April at Central Park Plaza. They’ll remain there until mid July, then Markel will move to a location near Stokes along the Dodge St Corridor around 144th (I’m not sure the exact location, but in that area)..

Not media “official” but I was told this afternoon the move is a done deal with the above timeline…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Brad]

Their lease is up in April at Central Park Plaza. They’ll remain there until mid July, then Markel will move to a location near Stokes along the Dodge St Corridor around 144th (I’m not sure the exact location, but in that area)..

That former medical company HQ right by stokes is now completely gutted.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Their lease is up in April at Central Park Plaza. They’ll remain there until mid July, then Markel will move to a location near Stokes along the Dodge St Corridor around 144th (I’m not sure the exact location, but in that area)..

That former medical company HQ right by stokes is now completely gutted.

It’ll be in that Dodge corridor area where Markel will move..I’m not exactly sure where. I was just told they’re moving to that neck of the woods mid July…

I’m sure I’ll get more intel within the next several weeks…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Cermak]

CPP has always seemed to have a hard time keeping tenants. Are maybe the floor sizes not compatible to today's office space needs ?. Now with its views of the GLM soon to be blocked I wonder what the future holds for these iconic Omaha structures. Hopefully it can rebound and find its niche. It remains one of Omaha's largest office buildings.

[skip]

CPP has always seemed to have a hard time keeping tenants. Are maybe the floor sizes not compatible to today's office space needs ?. Now with its views of the GLM soon to be blocked I wonder what the future holds for these iconic Omaha structures. Hopefully it can rebound and find its niche. It remains one of Omaha's largest office buildings.

I have always thought it could be a good residential building. Would create some great density near the new GLM. Some of the units toward the center of the plaza will be decently blocked by the MoO tower, but that still won't be a terrible view.

[Louie]

CPP has always seemed to have a hard time keeping tenants. Are maybe the floor sizes not compatible to today's office space needs ?. Now with its views of the GLM soon to be blocked I wonder what the future holds for these iconic Omaha structures. Hopefully it can rebound and find its niche. It remains one of Omaha's largest office buildings.

I have always thought it could be a good residential building. Would create some great density near the new GLM. Some of the units toward the center of the plaza will be decently blocked by the MoO tower, but that still won't be a terrible view.

The unique shape definitely lends itself to residential as it has a good window/sq ft ratio.

[ita]

CPP has always seemed to have a hard time keeping tenants. Are maybe the floor sizes not compatible to today's office space needs ?. Now with its views of the GLM soon to be blocked I wonder what the future holds for these iconic Omaha structures. Hopefully it can rebound and find its niche. It remains one of Omaha's largest office buildings.

I have always thought it could be a good residential building. Would create some great density near the new GLM. Some of the units toward the center of the plaza will be decently blocked by the MoO tower, but that still won't be a terrible view.

I think it could make for a cool residential project. Whether the view of the backside of MoO's 15 story parking garage won't be terrible remains to be seen. We haven't seen how they will adorn the garage on the west side yet.

[ita]

I saw a public notice that City Council in mid-June will consider terminating the TIF approval for this project since no progress has been made.

[Renovator2559]

I can confirm, from my source at Markel, the move is now a done deal as they just announced it internally this past week..

Their lease is up in April at Central Park Plaza. They’ll remain there until mid July, then Markel will move to a location near Stokes along the Dodge St Corridor around 144th (I’m not sure the exact location, but in that area)..

Not media “official” but I was told this afternoon the move is a done deal with the above timeline…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

Umm, I honestly don't understand who would want to move to that side of sprawling Omaha but ok. Maybe we can have better tenants that better use that red building

[NEDodger]

Per Grow Omaha, it sounds like this is going residential? 400-some units?

[Garrett]

Holy |expletive|. That’s a nice development

[Garrett]

Here's the small part where they talk about it in the Lightning Round. 450 units, which is more than what is planned in the entirety of The Crossroads (400) and almost as much as all of MTC (493). This would be by far the largest single residential building in the city, right?

[ita]

Here's the small part where they talk about it in the Lightning Round. 450 units, which is more than what is planned in the entirety of The Crossroads (400) and almost as much as all of MTC (493). This would be by far the largest single residential building in the city, right?

That's awesome. Good choice by city+ventures.

The atlas, is still the biggest single structure residential building
I think it's over 800 units.

[nebport5]

Interesting adaptation. My biggest hope (if this version gets off the ground) is the possibility of connecting residents with 16th St. The western side of CPP is a block long closed off brick wall. I know we've kicked around DT grocery in numerous threads and locations but consider a redeveloped western side with a grocery anchor facing 16th St. There's already a substantial resident population in this area with another 450 more units above. The southern portion of the building will of course be along the streetcar line. The southwest corner where there's currently a glass "box" would make a nice entrance.

[NEDodger]

Interesting adaptation. My biggest hope (if this version gets off the ground) is the possibility of connecting residents with 16th St. The western side of CPP is a block long closed off brick wall. I know we've kicked around DT grocery in numerous threads and locations but consider a redeveloped western side with a grocery anchor facing 16th St. There's already a substantial resident population in this area with another 450 more units above. The southern portion of the building will of course be along the streetcar line. The southwest corner where there's currently a glass "box" would make a nice entrance.

I just can’t see the grocery aspect here. We are rumored to be getting one in north downtown and there’s the one at the Civic Site. 3, to me, would be overkill right now. But maybe something more in the “general goods” world?

[nebport5]

Interesting adaptation. My biggest hope (if this version gets off the ground) is the possibility of connecting residents with 16th St. The western side of CPP is a block long closed off brick wall. I know we've kicked around DT grocery in numerous threads and locations but consider a redeveloped western side with a grocery anchor facing 16th St. There's already a substantial resident population in this area with another 450 more units above. The southern portion of the building will of course be along the streetcar line. The southwest corner where there's currently a glass "box" would make a nice entrance.

I just can’t see the grocery aspect here. We are rumored to be getting one in north downtown and there’s the one at the Civic Site. 3, to me, would be overkill right now. But maybe something more in the “general goods” world?

No I can't see three either. I was thinking here as an alternative location to one of the others. The NDT TJ's sounds like it has more legs at this point than anything at the Civic. I can't imagine that would be on the larger side of their stores. I could see two if were talking boutique such as TJ's and a similar sized competitor. As far as general goods an Urban Target would be nice but think we're a ways off yet from that sort of thing.

[PotatoeEatsFish]

The city should work with a developer to turn most of Central Park Tower into affordable housing. The first 2 or 3 floors could be for services and overfill office space for the courthouse.

[thenewguy]

My wife works for Markel and they are moved/moving out of CPP to 132nd & Dodge (sucky for us) but at least of they are vacating the building, it's good something good is filling in. They would have some great views ;)

[skip]

absolutely huge - will create tons of density!

[DTO Luv]

If it goes residential will they still build that project on the east side to connect the buildings upper floors?

[skinzfan23]

If it goes residential will they still build that project on the east side to connect the buildings upper floors?

I am pretty sure that they weren't moving forward with that project after Mutual's announcement of the new HQ.

[DTO Luv]

If it goes residential will they still build that project on the east side to connect the buildings upper floors?

I am pretty sure that they weren't moving forward with that project after Mutual's announcement of the new HQ.

Good. I thought that was a terrible idea in the first place.

[Garrett]

If it goes residential will they still build that project on the east side to connect the buildings upper floors?

I imagine that would impede their ability to make it residential since it would drastically increase the size of the floor plates.

[nebport5]

I'm curious if the Q3 13.9% downtown office vacancy rate still includes CPP?

City Ventures initial vision for CPP was said to be about creating more class A office space. Now with this going residential I wonder if they'll pursue that quest...say maybe at 1416 Dodge St.? Tack Architects designed the CPP upgrade/facelift for CPP as well as the initial Lanoha rendering at the old UP site. That rendering is still up on Tack's website.

[Garrett]

I'm curious if the Q3 13.9% downtown office vacancy rate still includes CPP?

City Ventures initial vision for CPP was said to be about creating more class A office space. Now with this going residential I wonder if they'll pursue that quest...say maybe at 1416 Dodge St.? Tack Architects designed the CPP upgrade/facelift for CPP as well as the initial Lanoha rendering at the old UP site. That rendering is still up on Tack's website.

That vacancy number would include CPP, yes. If the residential vision is true, I doubt they’d have access to enough capital to build at 1416 Dodge, which is back under city ownership. And I wouldn’t hold my breath on a speculative office project, but who knows how conditions will look in a few years

[nebport5]

I'm curious if the Q3 13.9% downtown office vacancy rate still includes CPP?

City Ventures initial vision for CPP was said to be about creating more class A office space. Now with this going residential I wonder if they'll pursue that quest...say maybe at 1416 Dodge St.? Tack Architects designed the CPP upgrade/facelift for CPP as well as the initial Lanoha rendering at the old UP site. That rendering is still up on Tack's website.

That vacancy number would include CPP, yes. If the residential vision is true, I doubt they’d have access to enough capital to build at 1416 Dodge, which is back under city ownership. And I wouldn’t hold my breath on a speculative office project, but who knows how conditions will look in a few years

I'm not holding my breath and still agree a mixed use project is most likely whenever the climate is right. City Ventures seems to be about partnerships so I wouldn't discount potential involvement. I'm also aware of city ownership which is only likely to benefit a future developer...if we ever get an RFP from the city.

[skinzfan23]

Did they recently take the Markel wording off the towers? I have also noticed the past few nights haven’t had these buildings lit up. Obviously once Mutual is built it won’t matter but right now looks pretty dark.

[thenewguy]

Did they recently take the Markel wording off the towers? I have also noticed the past few nights haven’t had these buildings lit up. Obviously once Mutual is built it won’t matter but right now looks pretty dark.

probably. Markel moved out to 138th & Dodge

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The Starbucks recently closed but on the bright side I believe they reopened 14th st today, between the towers and Mutual's new HQ. It had been closed for many months.