The Omaha World Herald

Post by **BRoss** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:58 am

Big E wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:00 am
almighty_tuna wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:28 am FWIW, if you right click on the page w/a OWH paywall blocked article and choose "view source" you can still read the articles. It's in the markup in plain text. It's not pretty, but will work in a pinch.
Or you can just delete your cookies.

Or use 12ft.io.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:30 pm

almighty_tuna wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:28 am FWIW, if you right click on the page w/a OWH paywall blocked article and choose "view source" you can still read the articles. It's in the markup in plain text. It's not pretty, but will work in a pinch.

Archive.ph will also display stories with no paywall. It takes a few minutes to process though depending on the queue.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:34 pm

For those who don't want to sit on hold and go through a retentions spiel, according to the terms and conditions page, you can supposedly cancel via email.

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:49 pm

jessep28 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:34 pm For those who don't want to sit on hold and go through a retentions spiel, according to the terms and conditions page, you can supposedly cancel via email.

Trying that now. I got the subscription during a “support local journalism” phase but I rarely read stories from them anymore since the main stories they push are all just consistently sports

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:05 am

The World-Herald getting out scooped by the Nebraska Examiner yet again with the stadium story is interesting. Do they just not have people paying attention to rumors and legislative bills?

Post by **BRoss** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:58 am

Garrett wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:05 am The World-Herald getting out scooped by the Nebraska Examiner yet again with the stadium story is interesting. Do they just not have people paying attention to rumors and legislative bills?

All they mostly care about is sports these days. Plus, Cindy Gonzalez was one of the main ones at the OWH who reported these stories and she's now at the Nebraska Examiner doing the same.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:01 pm

I just got a renewal notice. Regular online-only subscription prices are going up 40% to $356 a year.

WBR_Tom · Post by **WBR_Tom** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:14 pm

$30 a month for online only? That's absurd given the lack of content they produce anymore. I've been on the fence about canceling but that's going to push me to the "cancel" side of the ledger.

Curious, did the email cancel option work? Or is the "call and wait on hold for someone" option still the only way?

Omahomie · Post by **Omahomie** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:17 pm

They are circling the drain and it’s obvious. They only report the sports and honestly between YouTube and the multiple Husker recruiting websites they offer no insight other than copying and pasting the same recycled stories. Good example of a corporation getting too big and losing all the great producers that made their content valuable and entertaining. But it may just be the state of media right now.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:20 pm

WBR_Tom wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:14 pm $30 a month for online only? That's absurd given the lack of content they produce anymore. I've been on the fence about canceling but that's going to push me to the "cancel" side of the ledger.

Curious, did the email cancel option work? Or is the "call and wait on hold for someone" option still the only way?

I didn't get a response, so I'll probably have to call when I get some free time. They usually charge my card around the 20th, so I've got a couple weeks.

Post by **Brad** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:46 am

I heard on 1620 this morning that Dirk is leaving the OWH.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:42 pm

The OWH reporters union released a statement saying that 25% of the newsroom left within the last month via layoffs and buyouts.

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:31 pm

Would explain how they're continually missing big stories. Not a single writeup about Justin Wayne's streetcar proposal yet.

skinzfan23 · Post by **skinzfan23** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:10 am

Coverage about just about everything is missing.

ArchStanton · Post by **ArchStanton** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:53 am

To be fair, they did cover Justin Wayne's proposal: https://omaha.com/news/state-and-region ... 2f4b9.html

Greg S · Post by **Greg S** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:32 pm

I know the Guild and it's employees are trying to pain Lee Enterprises and Buffett as villains here. But let's be honest, most of this industry is struggling. There are layoffs, buyouts and reductions all over the country.

Greg

PWL73316 · Post by **PWL73316** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:12 am

It's impossible to keep a local news organization afloat with local advertising dollars and paying customers alone. It is what it is. It will take either deep charitable pockets or a completely new model to keep local news going in the future.

windsor · Post by **windsor** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:24 am

PWL73316 wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:12 am It's impossible to keep a local news organization afloat with local advertising dollars and paying customers alone. It is what it is. It will take either deep charitable pockets or a completely new model to keep local news going in the future.

We already have that. The Flatwater Free Press and the Nebraska Examiner. You can get your shooting news on any of the local TV sites and there plenty of Husker sites. There is no need for the World Herald anymore.

https://flatwaterfreepress.org/
https://nebraskaexaminer.com/

ChadJK · Post by **ChadJK** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:59 pm

I think the only thing keeping them alive was the older generations that simply refused to consume newer mediums and stubbornly kept their newspaper subscription. Sadly, those generations are rapidly shrinking (is there a nice way of putting that?). The OWH isn't going to sell too many subscriptions to younger Millennials and Zoomers. There's a lot of genuinely skilled journalists who have worked and are working in print media, but "the times they are a-changin'."

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:18 pm

ChadJK wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:59 pm I think the only thing keeping them alive was the older generations that simply refused to consume newer mediums and stubbornly kept their newspaper subscription. Sadly, those generations are rapidly shrinking (is there a nice way of putting that?). The OWH isn't going to sell too many subscriptions to younger Millennials and Zoomers. There's a lot of genuinely skilled journalists who have worked and are working in print media, but "the times they are a-changin'."

It's an industry that didn't pivot in time to save itself.

Big E · Post by **Big E** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:27 am

Louie wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:18 pmIt's an industry that didn't pivot in time to save itself.

The "industry" is dominated by outlets like Fox News that is about to lose a series of billion dollar civil trials after their owner testified under oath they intentionally lied about election conspiracies to appease their dipsh!t fans for money. Legitimate news outlets like WSJ, WaPo, and NYT simply can't compete with the huge base of people that just want their own stupidity shouted back at them for assurance. It is becoming blasé to point out we are living in the movie Idiocracy.

How were local print news outlets EVER expected to compete against billion dollar media conglomerates?

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:40 am

Big E wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:27 am
Louie wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:18 pmIt's an industry that didn't pivot in time to save itself.
The "industry" is dominated by outlets like Fox News that is about to lose a series of billion dollar civil trials after their owner testified under oath they intentionally lied about election conspiracies to appease their dipsh!t fans for money. Legitimate news outlets like WSJ, WaPo, and NYT simply can't compete with the huge base of people that just want their own stupidity shouted back at them for assurance. It is becoming blasé to point out we are living in the movie Idiocracy.

How were local print news outlets EVER expected to compete against billion dollar media conglomerates?

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Louie · Post by **Louie** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:46 am

They can compete by being honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories

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Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:09 am

Louie wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:46 am They can compete by being honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories

/s

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ChadJK · Post by **ChadJK** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:51 am

Louie wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:46 am They can compete by being honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories

I feel like there's insufficient demand for any supply of " honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories." As Big E stated, people want an echo chamber. People want sensationalism. People are outrage-addicts. News isn't news anymore. It's entertainment. Old school journalists working in an old school medium don't really fit that.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:12 am

ChadJK wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:51 am
Louie wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:46 am They can compete by being honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories
I feel like there's insufficient demand for any supply of " honest and truthful journalists covering the hard hitting stories." As Big E stated, people want an echo chamber. People want sensationalism. People are outrage-addicts. News isn't news anymore. It's entertainment. Old school journalists working in an old school medium don't really fit that.

Yeah of course, the /s at the bottom of my post denotes sarcasm.

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:14 am

It pains me to say this but I think that even the shell that is left of the old Omaha World-Herald will cease to exist as a print media platform before the end of this decade.

Post by **nebugeater** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:56 pm

nativeomahan wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:14 am It pains me to say this but I think that even the shell that is left of the old Omaha World-Herald will cease to exist as a print media platform before the end of this decade.

I bet it is sooner than the end of the decade

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:15 pm

Conley and Stewart are leaving the newspaper.

jessep28 · Post by **jessep28** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:16 pm

nebugeater wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:56 pm
nativeomahan wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2023 11:14 am It pains me to say this but I think that even the shell that is left of the old Omaha World-Herald will cease to exist as a print media platform before the end of this decade.
I bet it is sooner than the end of the decade

Unpaid intern generating stories via ChatGPT from their high school classroom.

Post by **BRoss** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:14 pm

Totally agree with Big E!

On top of that, the sites with actual journalism are behind paywalls whereas the sensationalized stuff is all free. How can they compete with that?

It's all about building audiences for advertisers these days and the best way to do that is to reaffirm biases, never present uncomfortable truths, and generate outrage. There's a reason Fox is #1 and it has nothing to do with quality.

Bob from Omaha · Post by **Bob from Omaha** » Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:35 pm

So now how many owh employees are working in Omaha? A dozen or so? I really don't want to ask how many reporters are left.

Post by **Brad** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:14 am

Bob from Omaha wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:35 pm So now how many owh employees are working in Omaha? A dozen or so? I really don't want to ask how many reporters are left.

This article makes it sound like they have 40 employees left in the news room:

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2023/03/08 ... s-he-sold/

RANDY ESSEX, The Nebraska Examiner wrote:When the sale was made final in March 2020, just as COVID hit, the World-Herald newsroom had about 80 employees. After reductions this year, the staff is about half that size.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:01 am

Who occupies most of the space in the OWH building?

ita · Post by **ita** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:06 am

Louie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:01 am Who occupies most of the space in the OWH building?

I know a couple of the Berkshire insurance companies are located there.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:18 am

ita wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:06 am
Louie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:01 am Who occupies most of the space in the OWH building?
I know a couple of the Berkshire insurance companies are located there.

Ah, that's a fair amount of workforce. Wonder if the signage is due to change soon...

Post by **Brad** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:12 am

Louie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:18 am
ita wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:06 am
Louie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:01 am Who occupies most of the space in the OWH building?
I know a couple of the Berkshire insurance companies are located there.
Ah, that's a fair amount of workforce. Wonder if the signage is due to change soon...

Remember it was the Qwest/Century Link Building for years and years and Both Qwest/Century Link and the OWH had their signs up there. Buffett's businesses have been in there for years and I would assume if they were putting up a sign, it would be there by now.

arjavrawal · Post by **arjavrawal** » Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:00 am

This article from the Central High Register makes me pretty optimistic about the future of journalism in Nebraska. If we can get more folks like Jane writing for Omaha papers, we'll be fine.

Bob from Omaha · Post by **Bob from Omaha** » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:21 pm

Do they still put out an Outlook issue? Or is it just too hard and too expensive to do?

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:02 pm

It wasn’t published in 2022. I don’t think it was published in 2021.
They don’t publish much of nothing any more. There is really no longer a Sunday advertisement insert. Or a Saturday automotive section, And even mail delivery of a mid-week “food” section has completely stopped. They no longer publish weekend editorials either, it seems.
Will the last one left please remember to turn out the lights.