Midtown Crossing

[Athomsfere]

I would like to assume that the property managers/owners know the issues regarding prices and it doesn't seem uncommonly high. Retail space is listed at $20/sq/yr. That's not crazy high. Property managers had tried to generate more daytime traffic by make the inner retail spots open for office users. If those fill in, that will help businesses.

I do like that the district has neighborhood amenities like a mail business, barbershop, salon, grocer, new bank branch. I wonder if it struggles because they want it to be a destination, but tenants make it more of a neighborhood district? I think the only destination type businesses is the theater. If it had a bunch of national retailers, particularly exclusive to the region, maybe it would retain retail tenants better. I've brought this up before, and this is related to your point Athmosfere, but as the years have gone by, I think this was built with future development at Turner Park East in mind. I think MTX still has a chance to shake the reputation it has, but I think it will take future development around it at TPE and MoO's old HQ to take it there.

I thought the rates were WAAAY higher.

MTC is, as you said a great district for actually living in. And I do think the biggest hurdle is more infill.

With MoO moving out, I hope we can get some more office use in the existing tower, and maybe next to the twin tower too.

And then line the lots with the old plan for more mixed building all through out the area.

[ita]

I would like to assume that the property managers/owners know the issues regarding prices and it doesn't seem uncommonly high. Retail space is listed at $20/sq/yr. That's not crazy high. Property managers had tried to generate more daytime traffic by make the inner retail spots open for office users. If those fill in, that will help businesses.

I do like that the district has neighborhood amenities like a mail business, barbershop, salon, grocer, new bank branch. I wonder if it struggles because they want it to be a destination, but tenants make it more of a neighborhood district? I think the only destination type businesses is the theater. If it had a bunch of national retailers, particularly exclusive to the region, maybe it would retain retail tenants better. I've brought this up before, and this is related to your point Athmosfere, but as the years have gone by, I think this was built with future development at Turner Park East in mind. I think MTX still has a chance to shake the reputation it has, but I think it will take future development around it at TPE and MoO's old HQ to take it there.

I thought the rates were WAAAY higher.

MTC is, as you said a great district for actually living in. And I do think the biggest hurdle is more infill.

With MoO moving out, I hope we can get some more office use in the existing tower, and maybe next to the twin tower too.

And then line the lots with the old plan for more mixed building all through out the area.

Yeah, I think we all have overestimated rates here. I have kept an eye on them, and it's been around that price for a while.

While MTX isn't necessarily kickin', but it has some consistency because of the neighborhood amenities. It's really going to take infill to help it make it the destination the developer's original intention was. We've seen Shadow Lake make a positive turn in the last year or so after years of stagnation/regression; MTX is in a better position to rebound big.

[Athomsfere]

While MTX isn't necessarily kickin', but it has some consistency because of the neighborhood amenities. It's really going to take infill to help it make it the destination the developer's original intention was. We've seen Shadow Lake make a positive turn in the last year or so after years of stagnation/regression; MTX is in a better position to rebound big.

With it's location, it could easily become one of the best areas in Omaha. Shadow Lake is still just another stripmall mostly to me.

Also, where did this MTX start? Isn't their branding MTC / MC?

[ita]

While MTX isn't necessarily kickin', but it has some consistency because of the neighborhood amenities. It's really going to take infill to help it make it the destination the developer's original intention was. We've seen Shadow Lake make a positive turn in the last year or so after years of stagnation/regression; MTX is in a better position to rebound big.

With it's location, it could easily become one of the best areas in Omaha. Shadow Lake is still just another stripmall mostly to me.

Also, where did this MTX start? Isn't their branding MTC / MC?

Haha, Mapguy used it a couple posts up. First time I saw it on the forum. Maybe it should be part of their new branding, haha.

For sure, MTC/MTX has potential, even though it's an older development. It still has a lot going for it between existing and potential density, existing events held there, public space and established businesses.

[Uffda]

A friend was at the Alamo theatre midtown last night and said it was closing.

Auctioning off Alamo midtown stuff

[Flyer14]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

[Brad]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

[PotatoeEatsFish]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

A new strip club then?

[Linkin5]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

Worlds largest Mega Saver

[Mapguy]

I heard rumors Genesis was moving accross the street to the Alamo. Must be why they have stopped maintaining the rental space they have now

[Garrett]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

A new strip club then?

The neighborhood just hasn’t been the same since that one on park closed

[ProgKingHughesker]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

Worlds largest Mega Saver

Getting to go up and down escalators to get more cheap booze at midnight actually sounds pretty fun ngl

[Garrett]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

Worlds largest Mega Saver

Getting to go up and down escalators to get more cheap booze at midnight actually sounds pretty fun ngl

Bodegas are truly life changing for this reason.

[omaha79]

Has there been any updates for the old Alamo?

Nothing other than "I can't tell you but its super exciting" when Grow Omaha broadcasted live from Midtown a few months ago.

So, we won't hear anything for 3 years. lol

Guessing it's probably not going to be a movie theater again. Terrible layout, not enough auditoriums, and a part of town that's proven it doesn't support a theater.

Before Alamo swooped in, they were talking some kind of office space. who knows now.

[PotatoeEatsFish]

It would make sense if it’s the rumored Lego Store

[ita]

It would make sense if it’s the rumored Lego Store

Wow, that would be a coup for midtown crossing to land an international retailer like Lego. I don't think it's likely, but would be neat.

[Cermak]

It would make sense if it’s the rumored Lego Store

Wow, that would be a coup for midtown crossing to land an international retailer like Lego. I don't think it's likely, but would be neat.

Probably do best somewhere out west like Village Point or some other place along West Dodge or even Aksarben village. Midtown Crossing has been a disappointment at least the retail portion, not sure about the Condos.

[Bomaha]

The Genesis is going to be renovating and converting the old Alamo space into their new MC location and vacating the current space. New space will have a pool, etc. It will definitely be a much larger space. Construction should start, if it hasn't already this summer with completion in second half of 2024.

Source: I'm a current MC Genesis member and they've been talking about it for a minute.

[halgy]

The Genesis is going to be renovating and converting the old Alamo space into their new MC location and vacating the current space. New space will have a pool, etc. It will definitely be a much larger space. Construction should start, if it hasn't already this summer with completion in second half of 2024.

Source: I'm a current MC Genesis member and they've been talking about it for a minute.

Dang, I was still hoping that another theater operator would take over that space. The streetcar going right past it would have made it really convenient.

But still, better to have some development. I still think that the streetcar will help Midtown get some better traffic than it has now.

[Athomsfere]

The Genesis is going to be renovating and converting the old Alamo space into their new MC location and vacating the current space. New space will have a pool, etc. It will definitely be a much larger space. Construction should start, if it hasn't already this summer with completion in second half of 2024.

Source: I'm a current MC Genesis member and they've been talking about it for a minute.

Dang, I was still hoping that another theater operator would take over that space. The streetcar going right past it would have made it really convenient.

But still, better to have some development. I still think that the streetcar will help Midtown get some better traffic than it has now.

Maybe someone will try again in a few years on one of the dozen or so empty lots nearby.

[BRoss]

When I lived in building 4 it was nice to walk out the front door and have the door to (what is now Genesis) just a few steps away - especially in the winter. I would be disappointed about it moving if I was still down there lol

[Athomsfere]

When I lived in building 4 it was nice to walk out the front door and have the door to (what is now Genesis) just a few steps away - especially in the winter. I would be disappointed about it moving if I was still down there lol

In the winter, it's be great incentive for cardio there and back

[BRoss]

When I lived in building 4 it was nice to walk out the front door and have the door to (what is now Genesis) just a few steps away - especially in the winter. I would be disappointed about it moving if I was still down there lol

In the winter, it's be great incentive for cardio there and back

Well cardio is what I mainly did there lol. I just hate cold and would have hated the extra time walking between the buildings.

But it does sound like they'll have a nicer space. The existing space isn't the best.

[Athomsfere]

When I lived in building 4 it was nice to walk out the front door and have the door to (what is now Genesis) just a few steps away - especially in the winter. I would be disappointed about it moving if I was still down there lol

In the winter, it's be great incentive for cardio there and back

Well cardio is what I mainly did there lol. I just hate cold and would have hated the extra time walking between the buildings.

But it does sound like they'll have a nicer space. The existing space isn't the best.

That's the location I used when I lived at the wire. A quick bike ride up, and then home.

Now I tend to go to either Aksarben or Cass depending on the weather. I can still bike to Aksarben pretty easily. I wish there was a better bike route to the Cass one though.

[Brad]

Sounds like its official:

The Genesis Health Club at Midtown Crossing plans to move across the street into the former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema space at 3201 Farnam Street.

The new space will allow Genesis to expand the gym to 67,000 sq. ft. and add amenities such as a bar and possibly even a rooftop pool. Renovations are just getting started. Completion is planned for late 2024.

https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... MPCXXII8aE

Rooftop Pool would be cool!

[Renovator2559]

Sounds like its official:

The Genesis Health Club at Midtown Crossing plans to move across the street into the former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema space at 3201 Farnam Street.

The new space will allow Genesis to expand the gym to 67,000 sq. ft. and add amenities such as a bar and possibly even a rooftop pool. Renovations are just getting started. Completion is planned for late 2024.

https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... MPCXXII8aE

Rooftop Pool would be cool!

Its reassuring that fitness is a priority in the area as other areas outside of midtown/downtown/dundee, healthy restaurants have been closing in favor of unhealthy restaurants. I guess since the suburban lifestyle induces lazyness, healthy restaurants don't do as well over there. Though Nebraska Medicine is expanding to make money off of those that choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle.

[nebugeater]

Sounds like its official:

The Genesis Health Club at Midtown Crossing plans to move across the street into the former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema space at 3201 Farnam Street.

The new space will allow Genesis to expand the gym to 67,000 sq. ft. and add amenities such as a bar and possibly even a rooftop pool. Renovations are just getting started. Completion is planned for late 2024.

https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... MPCXXII8aE

Rooftop Pool would be cool!

Its reassuring that fitness is a priority in the area as other areas outside of midtown/downtown/dundee, healthy restaurants have been closing in favor of unhealthy restaurants. I guess since the suburban lifestyle induces lazyness, healthy restaurants don't do as well over there. Though Nebraska Medicine is expanding to make money off of those that choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle.

Back this up with some facts.

[guy4omaha]

Sounds like its official:

The Genesis Health Club at Midtown Crossing plans to move across the street into the former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema space at 3201 Farnam Street.

The new space will allow Genesis to expand the gym to 67,000 sq. ft. and add amenities such as a bar and possibly even a rooftop pool. Renovations are just getting started. Completion is planned for late 2024.

https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... MPCXXII8aE

Rooftop Pool would be cool!

Its reassuring that fitness is a priority in the area as other areas outside of midtown/downtown/dundee, healthy restaurants have been closing in favor of unhealthy restaurants. I guess since the suburban lifestyle induces lazyness, healthy restaurants don't do as well over there. Though Nebraska Medicine is expanding to make money off of those that choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle.

Back this up with some facts.

Rock Harbor????

[Renovator2559]

Sounds like its official:

The Genesis Health Club at Midtown Crossing plans to move across the street into the former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema space at 3201 Farnam Street.

The new space will allow Genesis to expand the gym to 67,000 sq. ft. and add amenities such as a bar and possibly even a rooftop pool. Renovations are just getting started. Completion is planned for late 2024.

https://growomaha.com/weekly-market-rep ... MPCXXII8aE

Rooftop Pool would be cool!

Its reassuring that fitness is a priority in the area as other areas outside of midtown/downtown/dundee, healthy restaurants have been closing in favor of unhealthy restaurants. I guess since the suburban lifestyle induces lazyness, healthy restaurants don't do as well over there. Though Nebraska Medicine is expanding to make money off of those that choose to live an unhealthy lifestyle.

Back this up with some facts.

Culdesacs discourage walking, no walkable stores or businesses nearby. A sea of strip malls and parking lots, walking is dangerous through stroads. Walking or doing exercise through other neighboring neighborhoods are seen as suspicious or odd by other suburbanites.

Stroads and wide suburban roads are hostile to pedestrians, with side walks as a second thought, so walking is not an activity that is thought of by a suburbanite, outside of the block because it's just a sea of houses.

Since there are no third places, suburbanites have no choice but to try to replicate all these third place amenities by creating their private bars, theaters, pools etc, in their own enclaves, and it's tempting to not go out and deal with all the traffic nonsense that is a part of west Omaha streets.

Also, since every commercial or entertainment places are spread so far apart. The car is the only way and going through all the traffic to get to places, is a perceived barrier that reduces meetups, hangouts to mostly on the weekends. Where in the city, hangouts, meetups can simply happen easier, more frequently and in any day of the week day.

Thus there is little incentive to be active and meet people and thus exert less energy. Less movement, encourages laziness. Also stats show that in general the average suburbanite health is poorer than that of a city dweller that is surrounded by activities that promote movement.

Some sources:
Strong Towns
Not Just Bikes

[Garrett]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

[Renovator2559]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

[NEDodger]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

[thenewguy]

This is off topic, but I will say that when my wife and I went to NYC, it seemed like everyone was (on average) thinner than the average bear. I'm a husky dude, but I tend to have a quick-ish walking speed by midwest standards, and there I just seemed to be in people's way. My wife and I even commented that you can 'spot a tourist' simply because New Yorkers are always walking quickly and apparently always late to where they are going. Not saying I agree with suburbs being the cause of a sedentary lifestyle, but there is something to be said for people who walk that much, that far, and do it every day.

[Garrett]

This is off topic, but I will say that when my wife and I went to NYC, it seemed like everyone was (on average) thinner than the average bear. I'm a husky dude, but I tend to have a quick-ish walking speed by midwest standards, and there I just seemed to be in people's way. My wife and I even commented that you can 'spot a tourist' simply because New Yorkers are always walking quickly and apparently always late to where they are going. Not saying I agree with suburbs being the cause of a sedentary lifestyle, but there is something to be said for people who walk that much, that far, and do it every day.

That level of nuance is definitely true. I lost weight when I moved to Chicago from Omaha. Walking for a lot of your daily tasks definitely makes you more active and increases your walking speed. There’s a reason New Yorkers tend to hate Times Square with a passion: people just don’t know how to walk haha. But I wouldn’t say walking makes us more interested in gyms or healthy restaurants by any means.

[OmahaRedWing]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

I live out in NW Omaha, and I can tell you the trails at the lakes out here get a ton of use. Walkers and joggers the most but lots of bikes, along with some rollerblading. I am looking forward to Standing Bear's renovation finishing later in the year. It's not the same walking around an empty lake.

[Renovator2559]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

It doesn't take much thinking to come up with the conclusion that car dependency and lack of ability to reach locations by walking or cycling contributes to poorer health. What is considered walking in West Omaha, does not equal the same level of walking in the urban core, there's simply few reasons to walk in west omaha other than recreation and most people would reduce their frequency in walking over there, because there is not much of interest to look at but a sea of houses, wide roads, strip malls and parking lot-landia.
Sure there are always exceptions but the overall health shows a different story.

Also even if there is a lake nearby or a park nearby, are these connected to anything else and not just a dead end, to encourage use?


Even the NIH sees that suburbs are on average less healthier than urban or walkable neighborhoods
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8396707/

Or this on Canadian clsuburbs and others:
https://cmajblogs.com/the-suburbs-are-not-alright/

Or how about this report on suburbs and chronic health:
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6113780

Or how about this one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... story.html

Or how about this study of older people and their psychological health in suburb vs urban
https://www.urbandesignmentalhealth.com ... burbs.html

Or how about this study of how denser suburbs contribute to better health
https://www.wellnessdaily.com.au/cultur ... -healthier

Just because someone has a different opinion does not equal being a troll.

About juice stop, I take that back, I've never been to that location. I thought it was "healthy" but it's a location that sells mostly sugary drinks by looking at their menus and its nothing like cold pressed green juices of "the grove".

[Renovator2559]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

I live out in NW Omaha, and I can tell you the trails at the lakes out here get a ton of use. Walkers and joggers the most but lots of bikes, along with some rollerblading. I am looking forward to Standing Bear's renovation finishing later in the year. It's not the same walking around an empty lake.

Recreation is great an all, but how many use the lake daily or have a reason to go there other than recreation?

Does it compare to the urban core from dundee, blackstone, midtown, downtown, old market and west council bluffs? All connected, with businesses, shops, restaurants and reasons to walk to? Or how about the renovated Gene Leahy Mall and soon to be opened Heartland of America, Lewis and Clark parks? Or the future expansion of Rivers Edge park?

Last time I heard about a park attracting as much people was the renovated Gene Leahy Mall, which even caught the attention of Kansas City. Maybe the news is not reporting this high use of this secluded parks in NW Omaha?

Still, there's plenty of potential in West Omaha with the proposed walkable mixed used projects nodes considered in the future

[NEDodger]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

I live out in NW Omaha, and I can tell you the trails at the lakes out here get a ton of use. Walkers and joggers the most but lots of bikes, along with some rollerblading. I am looking forward to Standing Bear's renovation finishing later in the year. It's not the same walking around an empty lake.

Recreation is great an all, but how many use the lake daily or have a reason to go there other than recreation?

Does it compare to the urban core from dundee, blackstone, midtown, downtown, old market and west council bluffs? All connected, with businesses, shops, restaurants and reasons to walk to? Or how about the renovated Gene Leahy Mall and soon to be opened Heartland of America, Lewis and Clark parks? Or the future expansion of Rivers Edge park?

Last time I heard about a park attracting as much people was the renovated Gene Leahy Mall, which even caught the attention of Kansas City. Maybe the news is not reporting this high use of this secluded parks in NW Omaha?

Still, there's plenty of potential in West Omaha with the proposed walkable mixed used projects nodes considered in the future

Maybe if 400 million was dumped on a NW Omaha park, it would be. Is this really the apples to apples comparison you want to make? I’d also note that there are massively more cars parked around the Gene Leahy Mall now than there were before. Maybe, just maybe, it’s people from the west side of the city wanting to enjoy it. Or are those all cars from people in downtown and midtown?

Anyways, your initial projection was how lazy everyone is. That’s a ridiculous, sweeping accusation.

Nice to see we’re no longer comparing health by Juice Stop locations.

[Louie]

I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

I live out in NW Omaha, and I can tell you the trails at the lakes out here get a ton of use. Walkers and joggers the most but lots of bikes, along with some rollerblading. I am looking forward to Standing Bear's renovation finishing later in the year. It's not the same walking around an empty lake.

Last time I heard about a park attracting as much people was the renovated Gene Leahy Mall, which even caught the attention of Kansas City. Maybe the news is not reporting this high use of this secluded parks in NW Omaha?

Last time was literally 4 days ago...https://cityscenekc.com/omaha-postcard- ... -people-2/

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I wouldn't broadly categorize people who live in the suburbs as lazy or less health minded. I would say most American suburbs simply make it hostile/impossible to walk to places. This doesn't mean people who live there aren't interested in healthy restaurants for those reasons.

Fairpoint and yes there are unhealthy people in both sides, but in general stats show a decline in health in people that live in suburbs in comparison to city dwellers, do to the many factors in suburbs that discourage activity, also with poorer health, there is less energy to expend.

One factor that troubles me is that both Juice Stop and Lettuce express in west omaha closed, in favor of southern style restaurants that are not known to be healthy but comfort foods.

In comparison Modern Love is quite busy and keeps expanding their menu options in Midtown Crossing. Genesis growing in the area is also a good sign.

This is so bizarre that I almost think it’s trolling. There are more gyms in west Omaha in totality, let alone per capita. The idea that walking is seen as “suspicious” is insane - you can go to about any neighborhood and see many people walking around, jampacked parks, etc..

Your counterpoint is what - one restaurant? Modern Love is doing well and Genesis bought a space for probably pennies on the dollar, so Midtown Crossing is the new Muscle Beach? Lol….bizarre, man.

There’s also more Juice Stop locations in the suburbs than there are in east Omaha. I guess, ergo, y’all are unhealthy slobs. That….that IS the logic, right?

It doesn't take much thinking to come up with the conclusion that car dependency and lack of ability to reach locations by walking or cycling contributes to poorer health. What is considered walking in West Omaha, does not equal the same level of walking in the urban core, there's simply few reasons to walk in west omaha other than recreation and most people would reduce their frequency in walking over there, because there is not much of interest to look at but a sea of houses, wide roads, strip malls and parking lot-landia.
Sure there are always exceptions but the overall health shows a different story.

Also even if there is a lake nearby or a park nearby, are these connected to anything else and not just a dead end, to encourage use?


Even the NIH sees that suburbs are on average less healthier than urban or walkable neighborhoods
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8396707/

Or this on Canadian clsuburbs and others:
https://cmajblogs.com/the-suburbs-are-not-alright/

Or how about this report on suburbs and chronic health:
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6113780

Or how about this one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... story.html

Or how about this study of older people and their psychological health in suburb vs urban
https://www.urbandesignmentalhealth.com ... burbs.html

Or how about this study of how denser suburbs contribute to better health
https://www.wellnessdaily.com.au/cultur ... -healthier

Just because someone has a different opinion does not equal being a troll.

About juice stop, I take that back, I've never been to that location. I thought it was "healthy" but it's a location that sells mostly sugary drinks by looking at their menus and its nothing like cold pressed green juices of "the grove".

There are trails from all 4 directions that connect multilpe neighborhoods to Standing Bear....