Tesla (2421 Mid America Drive)

[Trips1]

Tesla has purchase the land SE of the Quaker Steak & Lube (2421 MID AMERICA DR). This will be a service center with potentially deliver and leasing to Iowa customers along with test drives for anyone. They are not allowed to sell or lease to Nebraskans.

Originally this was planned for Omaha but the state law prohibiting service, sales, and leasing has not changed.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

How do so many Nebraskans have Teslas if they are not allowed to be sold in the state and Iowa can’t sell them to Nebraskans?

[Brad]

Tesla has purchase the land SE of the Quaker Steak & Lube (2421 MID AMERICA DR). This will be a service center with potentially deliver and leasing to Iowa customers along with test drives for anyone. They are not allowed to sell or lease to Nebraskans.

Originally this was planned for Omaha but the state law prohibiting service, sales, and leasing has not changed.

I was talking with Trenton from Grow Omaha about this last week. He was over there and said it looked quite large.

How do so many Nebraskans have Teslas if they are not allowed to be sold in the state and Iowa can’t sell them to Nebraskans?

They are getting here somehow. That new charging station at the Hy-Vee on 90th and center has been quite busy lately and I’ve noticed most of the Tesla’s in there have Nebraska plates, and most of them have the Douglas Sarpy Lancaster version of the plates..

[Nosebot]

You can buy them Third-party just not from Tesla themselves.

[ita]

How do so many Nebraskans have Teslas if they are not allowed to be sold in the state and Iowa can’t sell them to Nebraskans?

I believe Nebraska has a law that prohibits direct from auto manufacturer sales to consumers. I can't say what the policy is other than to protect local dealerships.

[Big E]

I can only base this off when I bought mine in 2015 or whatever it was.

I purchased mine "online" after a test drive in another state. Went to the "showroom" (technically there were no "dealers" anywhere at the time) then walked over to a computer (in the showroom) and placed my order at tesla.com. Third party delivered it to my door when it was ready, much like if I had bought a used car from someone out of state.

I'm under the impression this is how all Tesla deliveries in the US were handled at the time, before some states changed their laws. It is likely how Nebrask still handles it - because, as we know, in Nebraska change is always, always, always bad. Always.

[Mr.Nuke]

You can buy them Third-party just not from Tesla themselves.

That is not accurate. You can buy a Tesla directly from Tesla as a Nebraska resident. The issue is taking delivery of it.

How do so many Nebraskans have Teslas if they are not allowed to be sold in the state and Iowa can’t sell them to Nebraskans?

Most get the "pleasure" of having to take delivery of the car in Kansas City. Hence why if you a see a brand new one on the road in Omaha it is more than likely going to have a Missouri paper in transit plate.

That new charging station at the Hy-Vee on 90th and center has been quite busy lately and I’ve noticed most of the Tesla’s in there have Nebraska plates, and most of them have the Douglas Sarpy Lancaster version of the plates..

That honestly surprises me, because most people that own them here have access to charging at their home. The OPPD residential electric rates are about 1/3 less expensive than supercharging as well. I have no desire to use that 90th and Center supercharger. It's one thing in cities with higher income people living in apartments or condos with a lack of charging infrasture. I don't think that describes the average Omaha owner though.

[Big E]

That new charging station at the Hy-Vee on 90th and center has been quite busy lately and I’ve noticed most of the Tesla’s in there have Nebraska plates, and most of them have the Douglas Sarpy Lancaster version of the plates..

That honestly surprises me, because most people that own them here have access to charging at their home. The OPPD residential electric rates are about 1/3 less expensive than supercharging as well. I have no desire to use that 90th and Center supercharger. It's one thing in cities with higher income people living in apartments or condos with a lack of charging infrasture. I don't think that describes the average Omaha owner though.

1) Don't underestimate the power of "free"... many Teslas still on the road have lifetime free charging at Tesla suprchargers.

2) They're hella fast if you just want to put 70%-ish of a "tank" in real fast.

3) But yes, installing a 220 in your garage (just put 2 new ones in this spring for $1400 via A1-United) is a very cost effective way of having a full tank in every morning when you wake up.

[Big E]

For some quick math:

$3.60 / gal for regular in Omaha metro @ 30 MPG = $12 per 100 miles
@ 20 MPG = $18 per 100 miles

$0.13 / kwh (my avg residential rate, not broken into peak/off peak) @ 2.5 miles per kwh = $5.20 per 100 miles

Still prob not enough to move the needle strictly on dollars for most people, but most people are stupid.

[Mr.Nuke]

1) Don't underestimate the power of "free"... many Teslas still on the road have lifetime free charging at Tesla suprchargers.

It is basically just the first year or two of performance 3's and some of the older S's. Anecdotally that is a pretty small percentage of what I'm seeing driving around Omaha and I'm averaging seeing 3+ Tesla's on a given drive.

[thenewguy]

I assume then that this would replace the existing Tesla service center on Woodbury by the Madison Ave Hy-Vee?

[Mr.Nuke]

I assume then that this would replace the existing Tesla service center on Woodbury by the Madison Ave Hy-Vee?

Yep that is the plan.

[orangeboots]

I don't think the new building is allowed to do service work. It is only for test drives rentals and leasing. They are not going to have outdoor charging either.

[Mr.Nuke]

I don't think the new building is allowed to do service work. It is only for test drives rentals and leasing. They are not going to have outdoor charging either.

They already have a location in Council Bluffs that services cars, handles some deliveries, and test drives. All that is happening is that "service center" is moving about 4 miles closer to Omaha with a larger facility presumably to handle more cars. Kansas City has one sales/service center for their entire metro. Council Bluffs isn't going to have two separate locations 4 miles apart.

[orangeboots]

I was trying to remember the wording in the development agreement and couldn't recall what the limitations were so I looked it up. https://councilbluffs.novusagenda.com/a ... tingID=502

[Mr.Nuke]

I was trying to remember the wording in the development agreement and couldn't recall what the limitations were so I looked it up. https://councilbluffs.novusagenda.com/a ... tingID=502

Basically as suspected, they're moving their current Council Bluffs service center to a larger location.

[Trips1]

I was trying to remember the wording in the development agreement and couldn't recall what the limitations were so I looked it up. https://councilbluffs.novusagenda.com/a ... tingID=502

Basically as suspected, they're moving their current Council Bluffs service center to a larger location.

Great find. Right now they have 6 bays and are going to 20 bays with 26 lifts. They will have room for 60 lease deliveries and 50 loaners. The new location will have 2 display vehicles and 6 demo vehicles that the old location does not have. They will have a total of 394 parking spaces.

In September 2018 there were under 200 Tesla's in Nebraska, and as of June there are 4,100.

Nebraska law allows for mobile service, and purchasing outside the state (Kansas City is closest). They do not allow service (where a vehicle lift is required) or leases.

Iowa law allows for service, mobile service, and leasing (only to Iowa residents). Purchases are outside the state (Kansas City is closest)

[Stargazer]

Happened to be passing by.. had no idea how far along it was.. or how big it was to be. This rivals the KC Stateline location.. and big front window for the showroom.

[almighty_tuna]

Nice! I'm definitely checking it out when it opens.

[nativeomahan]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

[djc311]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

I dunno - from what I read it appears it's a software update. You know, to fix their self-driving cars that can(not) drive themselves. Actually I've often found the full self driving discussion funny. On one hand Tesla says it exists. On another hand it doesn't exist if it has anything to do with an accident because their computers/cars don't make bad decisions.

I remember being a little kid riding in the backseat of my uncle's car over 40 years ago asking him if their cruise control meant the car could drive itself. He took his hands off the wheel and said of course! LOL

[ChadJK]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

I suppose it is like any other recall. They'll trickle-in. Some people will rush down to the nearest Tesla-authorized service center to get the recall addressed ASAP. Others will shrug it off. So, it will get done piecemeal over time. 3 years from now someone will take their Tesla in for service and when they're settling the bill the technician will tell them that there was an outstanding recall on the car and they took care of it. So, it will behave like most other recalls.

[djc311]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

I suppose it is like any other recall. They'll trickle-in. Some people will rush down to the nearest Tesla-authorized service center to get the recall addressed ASAP. Others will shrug it off. So, it will get done piecemeal over time. 3 years from now someone will take their Tesla in for service and when they're settling the bill the technician will tell them that there was an outstanding recall on the car and they took care of it. So, it will behave like most other recalls.

What service center in Omaha is an authorized facility for Tesla branded vehicles?

[ChadJK]

What service center in Omaha is an authorized facility for Tesla branded vehicles?

I believe there's one in CB over by where Mall of the Bluffs used to be:

1110 Woodbury Ave
Council Bluffs, IA 51503

[Mr.Nuke]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

Why do they have to be taken anywhere? This is a "recall" that will be fixed via software. My car will download the update automatically when it is sent to it in my garage.

I believe there's one in CB over by where Mall of the Bluffs used to be:

1110 Woodbury Ave
Council Bluffs, IA 51503

Yes and they're building a bigger one as the posts immediately proceeding this recall discussion in this thread document. With that said, they also offer mobile service for certain things that they'll come to you in Omaha. Again though none of this is needed for this "recall" which is basically a software patch that they'll push out in their next update.

[Trips1]

My Recall was fixed sometime last night. They increased the font size of a warning and I believe they added an extra beep.

The funniest recall was when they had to remove the external sound effects as you could not hear the low speed warning sound.

[Mr.Nuke]

My Recall was fixed sometime last night. They increased the font size of a warning and I believe they added an extra beep.

The funniest recall was when they had to remove the external sound effects as you could not hear the low speed warning sound.

I know the update got released yesterday, but I'd be mildly surprised if you got it already. It is supposed to be 2023.44.30. TeslaFi, which should be fairly representative of overall distribution shows no one has it yet. https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-u ... statistics

[Stargazer]

Where are all of these 2,000,000 recalled Tesla cars going to be taken to, including the 4,000+ in Nebraska?

In case it wasn't clear from the exchange above, whenever it happens, the recall is remediated entirely with an over the air software update. No service center visits required whatsoever.

[djc311]

I guess as a person that's not onboard with the electric vehicle craze I find these articles to be influential in my decision to hold off from purchasing one.



https://www.ketv.com/article/hertz-is-s ... s/46366636

[Big E]

I guess as a person that's not onboard with the electric vehicle craze I find these articles to be influential in my decision to hold off from purchasing one.

FWIW none of the Tesla recalls I’m aware of have anything to do with the electric car portion of the platform itself. I have a myriad of reasons never to buy a Tesla again, but quality of the electric platform isn’t one of them.

[Renovator2559]

I guess as a person that's not onboard with the electric vehicle craze I find these articles to be influential in my decision to hold off from purchasing one.

https://www.ketv.com/article/hertz-is-s ... s/46366636

You are right to be skeptical about electric cars, on top of reliability problems, electric cars are heavily subsidized and here's a chart on how all the costs are spread across every step in the way of keeping the costs lower for the car buyer at only 7%, while pushing the cost to tax payers and utility cost increases as well as gas car owners!

Although gasoline isn't the best option either, we need to work towards technologies like hydrogen fuel cell as well as improving public transit and making more walkable communities.

This Electric car corporate welfare sounds like the extension of "car infrastructure subsidization 2.0" in a similar manner, as how suburban sprawl and infrastructure is subsidized!




A new report by Texas Public Policy Foundation, has exposed electric vehicles as wasteful money pits, living up to the adage: If it seems too good to be true, it is.

EV proponents often claim they’re cheaper to own than conventional gas- or diesel-powered vehicles, but that’s simply not true after accounting for the billions of dollars in costs government subsidies and mandates quietly conceal.

Tesla Cybertruck gets less than 80% of advertised range in YouTuber’s test
The stark reality is the average EV costs at least $53,000 more over 10 years than conventional vehicles, effectively doubling the price of the average new car.

But $22 billion in government handouts to EV owners and manufacturers absorb the extra expense at every stage of the vehicle’s life, from raw-material sourcing to battery charging.

Examining the numbers behind recharging makes this very clear.

While EV advocates claim charging costs are equivalent to $1.21-per-gallon gasoline, the real amount is an order of magnitude more.

Including the charging equipment, subsidies from governments and utilities and other frequently excluded expenses, the true cost of charging an EV is equivalent to $17.33-per-gallon gasoline — but the EV owner pays less than 7% of that

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/opinion/t ... -billions/

[Ben]

I guess as a person that's not onboard with the electric vehicle craze I find these articles to be influential in my decision to hold off from purchasing one.

https://www.ketv.com/article/hertz-is-s ... s/46366636

Most of what has been circulating is a little misleading.... The higher costs is not referring to general car maintenance, but rather collision repair, and specific to the fleet Hertz was administering for Uber/Lyft. Hertz has their own bodyshops for all other manufacturers, but Tesla isn't big into selling parts to 3rd parties. So instead of self repair like on all other vehicles, Hertz is having to send Telsas to Tesla shops for bodywork.

So its a matter of DIY vs 3rd party... Clearly not something your average Joe will see in service cost differences.

[Stargazer]

You've got your privileged people who feel betrayed ideologically... you've got Uber drivers with no home charger, realizing infrastructure hasn't kept up with demand.. you've got those eating up the latest, burning, frozen and recall ridden EV internet memes.. and of course those quoting more 'in depth' sources whining about subsidies which get people worked up, but conveniently ignore what's been happening for decades elsewhere.
https://www.reuters.com/business/enviro ... 023-11-23/

Best cars I've personally ever owned, while I still own ICE cars.. infrastructure and the after market is indeed still catching up (can you imagine what driving a Model T was like in the early 20th century).. and isn't it great the consumers can enjoy a little federal money for a change, instead of just the producers.

[ChadJK]

I think there's problems on both sides of the EV topic...

You've got, for example, Tesla owners who have "drank to the Kool-Aid" and will vehemently defend EVs. Acknowledging none of the problems, short-comings, gotchas, or the like. They spent a lot of money on their top-of-the-line EV and they're not about to hear it was anything less than the best decision they ever made. Even if they regret their decision to buy one they're not about to admit that to the EV-hating crowd.

Then, you've got the anti-EV crowd that likes to pounce on every little mention of EV problems as if it's proof that EVs are a failed idea. It's like they WANT EVs to fail. I'm not really sure what their motivation for that is. Don't like EVs? Buy an ICE. What do you care who has an EV? I don't understand why EV ownership is something to come after people over. To each their own.

Point being, the fact that EVs are so divisive is just absurd.

The real test for me is how many EV owners bought two EVs (as their primary vehicle) in a row? Honestly, I don't know the numbers. However, if I was looking to buy a new car and was considering an EV, then that would be something I'd like to know. I heard a statistic many years ago about convertibles. Everyone says they love their convertible, but the number of people who owned two convertibles in a row was miniscule. So, that tells what they really thought of their convertible deep down. lol

I do find it problematic that the overwhelmingly preferred vehicle type for people in this neck of the woods is trucks and SUVs. For the most part, driving an EV means you're driving a sedan or coupe. Those weren't popular vehicle types before EVs really took off, so how long can EVs succeed making vehicles in form factors (body styles) that have clearly been so unpopular. Until there are practical truck and SUV EVs, I'm not sure they're going to grow a lot of market share. A lot of auto manufacturers over the last 20 years have cut back on number of car models they manufacture because everyone wants a truck or SUV, so they focus on producing what sells. That sort of flies in the face of EVs which currently seem to only be widely available as cars. If you have an income where you can have a hobby/show-off car and you want that to be an EV instead of a Corvette, then go for it. However, if you're looking to make it the primary family car, then I have my doubts...

[Stargazer]

I am hardly a kool aid drinker (I personally hate Musk, but also hate the CEO of my employer, yet recognize the company is about its employees.. not the CEO). I own 4 cars. The Model 3 is the only EV.

For me -personally-, there are no serious shortcomings to the Model 3. I take it on no more than 2 long trips annually and the 1/2hr or so I spend charging for every ~200 miles of driving those trips is inconsequential to me, particularly when you factor in I NEVER stop anywhere other than my own garage when I'm driving locally the vast majority of the time. This seems lost on many folks.. that most of us are rarely using a public charger. I will say, there are remote parts of our state which can be a challenge to get to. That's more a function of early adoption and infrastructure lagging behind. No different from what Model T owners had to deal with in the early 20th century until gas stations became prevalent. As more public chargers become available (ex: BP recently bought $100 million in Tesla charging equipment), range becomes less of an issue. I will share honestly that these cars don't have the same level of quality as my Honda or Toyota.. although I didn't expect that buying a car from a technology company which had never built cars at mass production scale until the Model 3. I bought only because it was the first EV which had the promise to do virtually everything an ICE car could do for a price I could afford. It hasn't failed me to that end.

This is my daily driver. I'm a fan of high performance vehicles, so that this car is quicker than most Corvettes, for example, is just a bonus.. while at the same time costing less than 1/3rd what it costs at OPPD rates to go the same distance as my wife's Prius. It's like having two entirely different cars in one. You don't even have to be a 'tree hugger' to appreciate that.

The only reason I haven't bought a second EV, is because I'm a single income household and only so much money to spend on cars. I also keep cars for the long haul.. my cars are 5, 13, 18 and 51 years old. I drive them until they're cost prohibitive to keep.. I'm excitedly looking towards 2026, for a Rivan SUV in my price range to possibly replace my 18 year old Honda (which I still love too.. Brad can relate, hah).

[Brad]

my cars are 5, 13, 18 and 51 years old. I drive them until they're cost prohibitive to keep..

I have three... 12, 15 & 57

possibly replace my 18 year old Honda (which I still love too.. Brad can relate, hah).

I love my Honda Element, its over 230,000 miles now! If it died tomorrow, I would definitely price an engine swap before buying something different.

[Stargazer]

I'm not sure if I could let mine go either.

Sporting some new 'rugged' shoes

[Stargazer]

Had a chance to talk to service center personnel Saturday. They said fhe new facility won't be opening until late summer. A little longer than I'd expected, having seen it fully enclosed a couple months ago.

[Linkin5]

my cars are 5, 13, 18 and 51 years old. I drive them until they're cost prohibitive to keep..

I have three... 12, 15 & 57

possibly replace my 18 year old Honda (which I still love too.. Brad can relate, hah).

I love my Honda Element, its over 230,000 miles now! If it died tomorrow, I would definitely price an engine swap before buying something different.

This is the way. It blows my mind people are always upgrading new cars.

[GenX]

I'm not sure if I could let mine go either.

Sporting some new 'rugged' shoes

The Honda Element is back in style now and used prices are going up. It would be the perfect time to come up with a spiritual successor. Shouldn’t be hard since the first gen Element was built on the CR-V platform.