Daylight saving time

[damonhynes]

And in addition, the time change does NOT in fact, change the amount of daylight!

Every spring, my socials are packed with n00b stormchasers who claim that there's an extra hour of daylight, therefore one more hour to chase and another hour of atmospheric warming!

That's a good one. I'd hope it was a joke, but it's not. Smart as we are, there really are people that don't know the length of daylight doesn't change when the clocks do. It's a fabrication. If you wanted to experience more daylight, you could just wake up an hour earlier lol.

I laughed the first twenty times I saw it posted! :-)

[mrsticka]

I preferred Daylight Savings Time they way it was before 2007 when it was only from the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October. They should've just kept it that way.

[Busguy2010]

I preferred Daylight Savings Time they way it was before 2007 when it was only from the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October. They should've just kept it that way.

I preferred it that way too. There was something about growing up with Halloween being dark while trick or treating. It played to the spooky ambiance. Now most kids are done before dark in my experience.

Not the main reason I want it back. Standard time helps my mental health, DST hurts it. So the less the better IMO. Like I've said so many times, we don't change the amount of daylight, we just change when we experience it. I think we here are all smart enough to know that, however, out in the world, I'm not so sure a good chunk of people actually think the day gets an hour shorter because they don't really notice or care that it gets light an hour earlier in the morning.

I could be happy with 6 months standard, 6 months DST. Seems fair to me. I hated it when they changed it to November and March.

[nebugeater]

Just pick one and leave it at that IMO.

[Busguy2010]

I just had a thought... What if since we adjust our clocks, why not change the calendar? Can you imagine the quantum loop that would cause? To me its odd the dates don't line up with the equinoxes, so how about... Hear me out. The winter equinox is December 21st, what if from that point on we start the new year? December 22nd becomes January 1st, Christmas becomes January 4th, we celebrate new years eve before Christmas on what is now December 21st, whatever your birthday is becomes 10 days earlier, your zodiac sign changes, July 4th becomes June 24th, ect. It could be done, a simple change, yet society would probably crumble.

[nebugeater]

I just had a thought... What if since we adjust our clocks, why not change the calendar? Can you imagine the quantum loop that would cause? To me its odd the dates don't line up with the equinoxes, so how about... Hear me out. The winter equinox is December 21st, what if from that point on we start the new year? December 22nd becomes January 1st, Christmas becomes January 4th, we celebrate new years eve before Christmas on what is now December 21st, whatever your birthday is becomes 10 days earlier, your zodiac sign changes, July 4th becomes June 24th, ect. It could be done, a simple change, yet society would probably crumble.

OK

I heard you out, as asked.
Still doesn't make any sense.

[Busguy2010]

I just had a thought... What if since we adjust our clocks, why not change the calendar? Can you imagine the quantum loop that would cause? To me its odd the dates don't line up with the equinoxes, so how about... Hear me out. The winter equinox is December 21st, what if from that point on we start the new year? December 22nd becomes January 1st, Christmas becomes January 4th, we celebrate new years eve before Christmas on what is now December 21st, whatever your birthday is becomes 10 days earlier, your zodiac sign changes, July 4th becomes June 24th, ect. It could be done, a simple change, yet society would probably crumble.

OK

I heard you out, as asked.
Still doesn't make any sense.

I'd never expect it to go through, as I said we couldn't handle it. But why wouldn't it make sense for the new calendar year to align with the winter equinox? From that point on, days get longer, there's a positive progression, a "new" sense. I don't know why the calendar is how it is, I didn't decide that, but I do like to question how it could be better in a different scenario. I personally could do it. To me it makes perfect sense for the last day of the year to be the shortest day of the year.

I know it doesn't make sense, but I'm making a comparison. How does changing the clocks make sense? Bottom line is I think we need to set things straight, but the rub is we can't agree which one to go with.

I really do like the idea of shifting the calendar though. It makes more sense to me

[mrsticka]

What if a minute was 100 seconds instead of only 60? What if an hour was 100 minutes instead of only 60? If that were the case, then maybe clocks would count up to 20 instead of only 12. So what if a whole day was 40 hours? 20:00 PM being noon and 20:00 AM being midnight?

What if months were much longer? For example, January, March, May, July, August, October and December all having 101 days while April, June, September and November had only 100. And February had 98 days, but 99 on leap years? Years would be at least 1,000 days long.

[Garrett]

Why though

[Busguy2010]

I think it's good to consider how it could be different. We have what I'd consider a luxury of knowing the day, time, and date. As soon as you disconnect for a few days, you really forget all that info because it's not important. The sun comes up and it goes down whenever it does. You adjust and plan your day accordingly. The only constant is the sun relative to the earth, which is why I think it'd be great to adjust our clocks and calendars to that cycle.

[Coyote]

Daylight Saving Time debate comes back around — again



The clocks will spring forward this weekend, with many losing an hour of sleep as the sun sets later in the evening. Will states agree on a plan to end this practice? NBC’s Joe Fryer reports for TODAY and Dr. Carol Ash joins with how the time change affects your body.

[Busguy2010]

Man, I get so fired up (in a negative way) about the spring time change every year. Here we are. Most people fail to realize that we only gain a minute or two of daylight each day.

It's so insane. Im not calling anyone out here, just the general idea. So... You stay up "an hour later" tomorrow night to enjoy the "extra sunshine", only to lose your hour of sleep for Monday? What sense does that make?

Conversely, people would be totally up in arms if instead the clocks stayed standard, and workplaces, schools, daycares, businesses instead decided to open an hour earlier so we can have an "extra hour after... etc."

It's a complete joke. Science and mother nature knows what's good for us is standard time. I'm just saying, if you love having daylight after work, leave the clock alone and go into work an hour early?... or would the shoe be on the other foot? I would bet so. Imagine you work at 6am on Monday, and your employer tells you no, no, you work at 5 now, no questions asked. You'd still get your "extra hour" of daylight after work, but how would you feel about it at the end of the day? Probably pretty tired!

It doesn't work to manipulate the clocks. We can't change the length of the day. People prefer DST because its correlated with the inherently longer days of summer. People legitimately mistake DST for more daylight.

Im done I need to go to sleep asap because I'm artificially losing an hour of it

[Busguy2010]

I've just been lmao this morning at the comments on fb. People literally do not recognize that today is basically the same as yesterday. Here in Omaha, today is exactly 2 minutes and 45 seconds longer than yesterday.

The only difference is you're going to say up "an hour later" tonight because "the sun is out an hour later" and you know what, it's going to be harder to wake up tomorrow because it's going to be "dark for another hour" in the morning! The whole thing, for the lack of a nicer description, is just one of the stupidest things we as a society have come up with.

[nebugeater]

I could not care less about which clock setting they used. Just choose one and leave it.

[Louie]

I could not care less about which clock setting they used. Just choose one and leave it.

I’m of the same thought process.

[Busguy2010]

I could not care less about which clock setting they used. Just choose one and leave it.

I’m of the same thought process.

Yes, the way I look at it is, keep it standard time, keep business, school, work hours as is.

Keep it DST, move business, school, work hours an hour later.

Either way, that hour doesn't exist. I'm not faulting anybody who wants to wake up and have their work day half over by sunrise, that's their prerogative.

We can try and manipulate the time we have, but the human body knows what time it is. And for the next 8 months we're all forced to stay up an hour late and get up an hour early. It makes zero sense.

[Brad]

So glad Daylight's savings time is here! Always one of the best days of the year when we have several hours of light after work!

[Busguy2010]

It's ironic the Nascar race today is in Arizona, one of only two states that don't observe DST. It's about 12:30 there right now, and it looks correct

[HskrFanMike]

I'm just saying, if you love having daylight after work, leave the clock alone and go into work an hour early?... or would the shoe be on the other foot? I would bet so. Imagine you work at 6am on Monday, and your employer tells you no, no, you work at 5 now, no questions asked.

I dare say that most people don't have that option. And even if they did...unless everyone else in the family got to shift their schedules as well (including the kids and school/daycare), it still wouldn't work.

Yes, the time changes suck and there is plenty of evidence that it causes issues when it happens. But year 'round DST makes too much sense. Yes, going to school/work in the dark in December isn't good...but most do it anyway. Side benefit is sunlight until 6 pm in December.

And in June, when do you want that hour of sunlight: 5 am or 8 pm? The 5 am sunrise is going to cause a helluva lot more problems. And 9 pm sunsets accommodate so many more activities in the summertime.

[zippy]

I could not care less about which clock setting they used. Just choose one and leave it.

Thank you for the "not"... "I could care less" is a pet peeve of mine.

[Busguy2010]

I'm just saying, if you love having daylight after work, leave the clock alone and go into work an hour early?... or would the shoe be on the other foot? I would bet so. Imagine you work at 6am on Monday, and your employer tells you no, no, you work at 5 now, no questions asked.

I dare say that most people don't have that option. And even if they did...unless everyone else in the family got to shift their schedules as well (including the kids and school/daycare), it still wouldn't work.

Yes, the time changes suck and there is plenty of evidence that it causes issues when it happens. But year 'round DST makes too much sense. Yes, going to school/work in the dark in December isn't good...but most do it anyway. Side benefit is sunlight until 6 pm in December.

And in June, when do you want that hour of sunlight: 5 am or 8 pm? The 5 am sunrise is going to cause a helluva lot more problems. And 9 pm sunsets accommodate so many more activities in the summertime.

Changing times is impractical either way, no matter if it were government mandated or personally chosen to start your day earlier.

I know my argument for standard time isn't the popular opinion, it isn't the vocal one. But there's a lot more proponents of standard time than you'd think. I believe the last poll I saw had it only at 60% DST and 40% standard. Even then it's hard to tell because people confuse DST with the time change itself, no matter the fall or spring one.

The problem here is people associate DST with the longer days and Standard time with the shorter. Naturally, yes, more daylight is pleasant, so DST is seen as the better option. It's not the spring time change, it's the longer days you're after.

And to specially answer your question, I would prefer a 5 am sunrise and an 8pm sunset in June. Makes it easier and more normal to get up for work and easier and more normal to get a better night's sleep. And I'm far from a morning person. All DST does for me is make it harder to wake up and harder to fall asleep. I don't like waiting for the sun to come up or waiting for it to go down.

The only permanent solutions I'd accept are:
Permanent standard time
Reestablish the classic standard time period; 6 months on, 6 months off
And I'd reluctantly accept a permanent 30 minute time shift.

The paradox in it all for me is I KNOW I carry the highly unpopular opinion, but it's actually what's normal. To want permanent DST is abnormal. You think people would recognize a bill called "The Sunshine Protection Act", introduced by "backward" Republican Florida would have been a red flag In any other instance it would have been

[nebugeater]

I could not care less about which clock setting they used. Just choose one and leave it.

Thank you for the "not"... "I could care less" is a pet peeve of mine.

That makes two of us.

If I "could care less," that kind of doesn't make the point, does it?

[Athomsfere]

But year 'round DST makes too much sense.

And this is why Nebraska would never do it.

Regardless, I am happy to be back on the good time!

[Busguy2010]

But year 'round DST makes too much sense.

And this is why Nebraska would never do it.

Regardless, I am happy to be back on the good time!

What sense does this make? Florida and Nebraska are pretty similar in political terms. Florida (Marco Rubio) thought of the idea. The reason Nebraska wouldn't adopt it is because we're a farming state. Farmers don't like daylight saving time.

It's very funny the part of the reason daylight saving was started was because it would "give farmers more time to work crops". Fact - farmers never supported the idea, they were largely opposed to it.

The other one was to save on lamp oil. Just a raise of hands, how many of us burn lamp oil to light our houses after dark? Nobody? Okay.

Last one is it supposedly saves electricity. It does not. The length of the day does, but the time change does not. How many people turned the lights on to get ready this morning? The electricity saving argument is nil because there is none.

Lastly, when it's July and 100 degrees out, would it not make sense to experience the sun going down and it be cooler during normal sleeping hours, rather than sweating in bed or burning even more electricity to keep your room reasonably cool?

I've got lots of questions on the matter and I haven't heard much in the way of answers.

[Athomsfere]

But year 'round DST makes too much sense.

And this is why Nebraska would never do it.

Regardless, I am happy to be back on the good time!

Lastly, when it's July and 100 degrees out, would it not make sense to experience the sun going down and it be cooler during normal sleeping hours, rather than sweating in bed or burning even more electricity to keep your room reasonably cool?

I've got lots of questions on the matter and I haven't heard much in the way of answers.

There are two temperatures: Too cold, and perfect.

In July when it's 100 degrees out, I'll be on my bike. I welcome the extra day time.

And you've had answers, you just seem to ignore them because you like the worse time...

I'd say most of us would like to have the extra daylight to actually do stuff.

[windsor]

Today was the perfect first day of daylights savings time. Really nice warm temperatures and plenty of evening sunlight to enjoy it.

[Busguy2010]

Today was the perfect first day of daylights savings time. Really nice warm temperatures and plenty of evening sunlight to enjoy it.

We're only lucky, or unfortunate, really that it's been an abnormally warm winter and that it aligns perfectly with the time change only propagates the idea that DST the correct time.

[Busguy2010]

I'd say most of us would like to have the extra daylight to actually do stuff.

You proved my point right there. I said it before, we don't gain an hour. There is no extra daylight other than what naturally occurs, which is about 2 minutes per day until the summer solstice. DST is a fabrication.

You didn't gain an hour of daylight the other day.

[Athomsfere]

I'd say most of us would like to have the extra daylight to actually do stuff.

You proved my point right there. I said it before, we don't gain an hour. There is no extra daylight other than what naturally occurs, which is about 2 minutes per day until the summer solstice. DST is a fabrication.

You didn't gain an hour of daylight the other day.

I did, because my life is heavily influenced by the rules of society. Right now I am waking up before sunrise for conference calls with teams in other countries. When I get off work, having that extra hour to actually enjoy it makes a difference.

I said it before, we don't gain an hour.

That's teetering on a false equivocation. Everyone knows how DST works.

I get what you are saying. But most of us have various societal contracts that moving to a permanent DST gives us more time to actually enjoy the day.

[Omaha Cowboy]

Today was the perfect first day of daylights savings time. Really nice warm temperatures and plenty of evening sunlight to enjoy it.

Agreed. And today should be more of the same!…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

[Brad]

Today was the perfect first day of daylights savings time. Really nice warm temperatures and plenty of evening sunlight to enjoy it.

Agreed. And today should be more of the same!…

Ciao..LiO…Peace

Yep, kids and I played outside all evening, it was great having all that extra daylight moved from the morning to the evening.

[Busguy2010]

Well I'm just beating a dead horse here. I'll just say I'm glad that bill failed to gain traction and I hope it never rears its ugly head again. Here's to 8 months of jet lag. Cheers. I suppose it could be worse.

[ChadJK]

I was talking to a retired farmer about Daylight Saving Time and how one of the original justifications for it was agricultural related and he said something to the effect of, "When you're a farmer you work from the time the sun comes up until the sun goes down. It's doesn't matter much what the clock says."

[BRoss]

Daylight Saving Time

Speaking of that, fixed the thread title to remove the errornous "s" at the end of "Saving". I know that variation is generally accepted and what I usually say, but technically it's not supposed to be plural.

[Busguy2010]

That time of year again, getting lots of misinformed articles.

Again, it's Daylight saving time. Daylight saving time is ending. Standard time is starting. It's called standard because that's the time when the sun is at its apex closest to noon. It erks me that people get this wrong so much.

Now that were getting close to it, I've noticed that by the time I get off around 6, make a quick grocery stop, get gas and go home and shower. It's already dark, and this is during DST. Not like there'd be time to do anything outdoorsy anyway. It's just a matter of the days being shorter. There's nothing we can do about it. I think that's why people dislike standard time, it's associated with the shorter days. But even if we went full DST, anybody working a 9-5 would see no functional additional hour of sunlight, after the commute, the dinner stop, grocery store stop, what have you. I'll take my hour back, thank you. Can't. Freakin. Wait.

[BRoss]

But even if we went full DST, anybody working a 9-5 would see no functional additional hour of sunlight, after the commute, the dinner stop, grocery store stop, what have you.

Totally disagree that there would be no functional hour of sunlight. I live around 10 minutes away from the office (when I do go in) and don't have dinner or go to the grocery store until later in the evening.

Where I am out west, the sun sets at 5:16 PM on the day daylight saving time ends. And it's not mostly dark until the end of civil twilight, which for that day is 5:45. Even on the day of the earliest sunset (which interestingly isn't the shortest day of the year), that occurs at 4:55 with civil twilight until 5:26.

Having daylight until about 6:26 PM at the earliest would be phenomenal and give me more than an hour to take a walk.

[Busguy2010]

Having daylight until about 6:26 PM at the earliest would be phenomenal and give me more than an hour to take a walk.

Like I was saying, people who get off, I dunno, anywhere between like 4 and 6 would see little benefit. That seems like a really normal shift to me. Sounds to me like you maybe work a little earlier and that's your prerogative, so maybe it would benefit you. Since I now work til 5 or 6, I've found no matter what, I'm not going to have functional daylight after work no matter if it were DST or ST. So I'd much rather relish in that stolen hour of sleep given back. Pretty soon the sun will barely even be out when I wake up, and I consider a 9am shift to be kinda late. It's just shorter days, so why not get the sleep were supposed to get?

[BRoss]

Like I was saying, people who get off, I dunno, anywhere between like 4 and 6 would see little benefit. That seems like a really normal shift to me. Sounds to me like you maybe work a little earlier and that's your prerogative, so maybe it would benefit you.

I work normal office hours. My point was that I can be home fairly quick and don't do other things like eat dinner right away. So that time is useful to me for getting out and walking.

[Busguy2010]

I know I'm a party of one, but I'm so glad this day is here. I don't even stay up so late anymore, but I'm looking forward to getting back to normal. Not having to wait til 8am for it to be light enough not to turn the lights on will be nice. And like I keep saying, no matter how you split it, you can't avoid the fact that this time of year, the day is just shorter.

Enjoy the sleep everybody. Try not to wake up at 3 or 4 lol.

[Brad]

No, you are still wrong. Standard time SUCKS!!!

I can't wait for Sunday, March 9, 2025 we we get to put our clocks back to the correct time.