The Crossroads (72 & Dodge)

[Louie]

Shouldn’t this thread be moved to Projects Never Built?

Not when there is an active proposal from a developer.

[Garrett]

I think we can chill out over the rigidity of forum definitions. If it’ll make everyone happy, I’m sure we can just lop off 40 pages of this thread and call it even.

[Cermak]

This project appears stalled. Not sure what they should do with this land.

[Louie]

This project appears stalled. Not sure what they should do with this land.

The developer delivered planning documents to the board 3 days ago

[Bob from Omaha]

I think we can chill out over the rigidity of forum definitions. If it’ll make everyone happy, I’m sure we can just lop off 40 pages of this thread and call it even.

Make it 50 lopped off.

[FishFighter92]

I think we can chill out over the rigidity of forum definitions. If it’ll make everyone happy, I’m sure we can just lop off 40 pages of this thread and call it even.

Make it 50 lopped off.

Agreed

[omahahawk]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

[nebugeater]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

So what would this be, maybe the tenth time the city has green-lighted a project for the Crossroads property? Until there are buildings in place, we will see.

[S.O.Boy]

A friend is saying if medicinal marijuana passes, Omaha is turning this into a growing operation and selling under the name OmaHash.

[djc311]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

2032? Takes less time to build Mutual, tallest building in Omaha. Also took a lot less time to build Village Pointe, Shadow Lake and any other shopping mall constructed in this city. Disneyland could be built in less than 7 years.

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised - supposedly the city has incentives and clauses in place that require progress… but I guess it means something needs to be done within 7 years.

Considering they supposedly spent $30 million on the infrastructure construction I can’t imagine the reasons it would take 7 years (outside of not finding tenants to sign on to the site).

[Garrett]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

2032? Takes less time to build Mutual, tallest building in Omaha. Also took a lot less time to build Village Pointe, Shadow Lake and any other shopping mall constructed in this city. Disneyland could be built in less than 7 years.

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised - supposedly the city has incentives and clauses in place that require progress… but I guess it means something needs to be done within 7 years.

Considering they supposedly spent $30 million on the infrastructure construction I can’t imagine the reasons it would take 7 years (outside of not finding tenants to sign on to the site).

Part of it is just financial caution. Big developments like this are complex and even national developers only have so much liquidity to commit to any one project.

[FishFighter92]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

2032? Takes less time to build Mutual, tallest building in Omaha. Also took a lot less time to build Village Pointe, Shadow Lake and any other shopping mall constructed in this city. Disneyland could be built in less than 7 years.

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised - supposedly the city has incentives and clauses in place that require progress… but I guess it means something needs to be done within 7 years.

Considering they supposedly spent $30 million on the infrastructure construction I can’t imagine the reasons it would take 7 years (outside of not finding tenants to sign on to the site).

Aksarben isn't done yet, and it's been what? 15 years?

[Brad]

Aksarben isn't done yet, and it's been what? 15 years?

Yep, still 6 empty lots in there.

[riceweb]

Part of it is just financial caution. Big developments like this are complex and even national developers only have so much liquidity to commit to any one project.

That's why Omaha should not focus on big projects. It doesn't serve Omaha when developers and finance folks think we're basically Fargo or Sioux Falls instead of Kansas City and can't justify the risk of big projects.

We should focus on citywide upzoning without the need for special permits and we should work to make it easy for developers to go big on a single block without onerous approvals. Wall Street Tower site was just as ridiculous as Crossroads. This city continues to make better the enemy of the good.

[FishFighter92]

We should focus on citywide upzoning without the need for special permits and we should work to make it easy for developers to go big on a single block without onerous approvals.

Isn't this the whole problem?

[Greg S]

I read a hard copy article in the OWH the other day about the city greenlighting the new Crossroads project. I won't bother to post as I do not subscribe however it did state specifically that verticalness on Phase I will start in Spring of 2025 with near total project completion being around 2032.

2032? Takes less time to build Mutual, tallest building in Omaha. Also took a lot less time to build Village Pointe, Shadow Lake and any other shopping mall constructed in this city. Disneyland could be built in less than 7 years.

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised - supposedly the city has incentives and clauses in place that require progress… but I guess it means something needs to be done within 7 years.

Considering they supposedly spent $30 million on the infrastructure construction I can’t imagine the reasons it would take 7 years (outside of not finding tenants to sign on to the site).

Aksarben isn't done yet, and it's been what? 15 years?

We started this thread on Crossroads Village in 2011. I will definitely give the nod to Ak Sar Ben Village at 15 years....

[nativeomahan]

Maybe this entire thread should be relocated to Projects Never Built until the first buildings actually go vertical.

[Brad]

Maybe this entire thread should be relocated to Projects Never Built until the first buildings actually go vertical.

The new developer just got an approval 6 days ago...

[FishFighter92]

Maybe this entire thread should be relocated to Projects Never Built until the first buildings actually go vertical.

The new developer just got an approval 6 days ago...

Actually it was you or one of the other mods that said anything goes in the chats until development begins, then you usually open a new development thread.

[BRoss]

Maybe this entire thread should be relocated to Projects Never Built until the first buildings actually go vertical.

The new developer just got an approval 6 days ago...

Actually it was you or one of the other mods that said anything goes in the chats until development begins, then you usually open a new development thread.

We usually keep a thread for the same location and rename it as things change. If the project got split up into multiple developments then new threads would likely be created.

We are fairly reluctant to move things to Projects Never Built unless it's very clear that it is dead.

Crossroads has struggled to get any buildings going and has changed developers over the years, but this project has never fully been dead and there has been things going on like infrastructure fairly recently.

[Toto]

I'm so glad this project has been delayed for more than a decade. Can you imagine if crack pipe yates developed the crossroads? Or Ted Seldin built another Montclair Center on the Property? Lockwood seem to do alright with Sterling Ridge, but then they built a strip mall with a little king next to a Starbucks at Heartwood Preserve. I'll gladly take delays if the crossroads is built right. It feels like Woodbury is the right fit for this project.

[FishFighter92]

Totally agree Toto

[mcarch]

I'm in agreement. This is in the city center (Midtown now). We need to see another Aksarben Village Height development. Not some suburban strip center. I'd gladly wait until its developed correctly.

Anyone been to KC lately in the Country Club Area? While the Country Club area is pretty desolate (not many stores left) Apartments & Condo Buildings are starting to reach 6+ floors now instead of the 4-5 floors they used to build. I think we should take note with the density.

[FishFighter92]

Anyone been to KC lately in the Country Club Area? While the Country Club area is pretty desolate (not many stores left) Apartments & Condo Buildings are starting to reach 6+ floors now instead of the 4-5 floors they used to build. I think we should take note with the density.

New owners are redeveloping the Plaza.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 46300.html
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... 98720.html

[skinzfan23]

City Council OKs $40 million in bonds to buy Crossroads land for parking, central plaza

The City Council voted 7-0 Tuesday to approve issuing the lease revenue bonds. The city will use the money to buy portions of the Crossroads site from Woodbury Corp. The Utah-based firm is planning an $862 million redevelopment of the site, northwest of 72nd and Dodge Streets.

Construction of apartments, parking garages could start in spring at Omaha's Crossroads site

The city will pay $38 million for most of the land where the first phase of the project will take place. The first phase, which will take up about one third of the 40-acre site, will include three city-owned parking garages, two of them underground. It will also include an artificial turf-covered plaza expected to be surrounded by shops; entertainment businesses and an apartment complex. The city will continue to own most of the phase one land except for the apartments site. The city will build and operate the parking garages.

As part of its redevelopment agreement with the city, Woodbury agreed to give the city $39 million of its tax-increment financing proceeds.

Construction is expected to start on the parking garages and other parts of the first phase in spring 2025. Woodbury Corp. executives have said some parts of the project will be completed by 2027, and all of the first phase within five years.

[Louie]

Well that might be the most movement we've seen since demolition.

[skinzfan23]

Well that might be the most movement we've seen since demolition.

Yes, prob true. I hope that we can see some vertical construction this next spring.

[Brad]

Someone on the sports radio today asked what will happen first. Crossroads gets finished or the Husker Football Team will have a 10 win season... LOL

[Athomsfere]

Someone on the sports radio today asked what will happen first. Crossroads gets finished or the Husker Football Team will have a 10 win season... LOL

None of the above. Omaha gets its first 300+ meter tower. As I assume a 10 win season is tough?

[mgoett]

I heard this morning that Woodbury backed out. Hope this is false

[Louie]

I heard this morning that Woodbury backed out. Hope this is false

Just as that lot purchase was approved? If so, that's a nightmare.

[meliketrains]

I think I'll probably have grandchildren by the time anything happens at this lot. It's really a bit odd given how much growth the city has seen in the last ten years alone. You'd think a spot like this, right in the population and physical heart of the city, would have been developed by now. I guess the size is just such a massive risk to developers, and portioning it out brings its own set of problems. Not to doxx myself, but I live very, very close to the project. A few blocks walk and I'm there. I'm pretty sick of looking at hills of dirt.

[djc311]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

[ita]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

I haven't heard anything, but City Council just approved using construction manager at risk in this week's meeting for the parking garages the City committed to build. Would be weird to move forward on that if Woodbury is exiting the project, I think.

[Louie]

. I guess the size is just such a massive risk to developers, and portioning it out brings its own set of problems.

What kinds of problems?

[Brad]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

I haven't heard anything, but City Council just approved using construction manager at risk in this week's meeting for the parking garages the City committed to build. Would be weird to move forward on that if Woodbury is exiting the project, I think.

The mayor was on Grow Omaha today, so hopefully she provided an update. I’m hoping the video is uploaded later this afternoon when I have time to watch..

[nebport5]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

I haven't heard anything, but City Council just approved using construction manager at risk in this week's meeting for the parking garages the City committed to build. Would be weird to move forward on that if Woodbury is exiting the project, I think.

The mayor was on Grow Omaha today, so hopefully she provided an update. I’m hoping the video is uploaded later this afternoon when I have time to watch..

They only touched on the bond issues and mostly explaining/defending TIF.

[Garrett]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

I haven't heard anything, but City Council just approved using construction manager at risk in this week's meeting for the parking garages the City committed to build. Would be weird to move forward on that if Woodbury is exiting the project, I think.

The mayor was on Grow Omaha today, so hopefully she provided an update. I’m hoping the video is uploaded later this afternoon when I have time to watch..

They only touched on the bond issues and mostly explaining/defending TIF.

Any tidbits or hints at other announcements?

[nebport5]

Has anyone heard/confirmed that Woodbury did in fact exit the project? If that's the case, it will easily be 5-10 years. However, with that being said, even if they stay onboard they were already talking 2029 as possible completion anyway.

In my mind, it's way overdue, and has taken waaaaaaaay too long. It's smack dab in the "middle" of Omaha (based upon historical terms of 72nd & Dodge being the middle of town). It's a sad state of affairs that it hasn't moved along... at all.

I haven't heard anything, but City Council just approved using construction manager at risk in this week's meeting for the parking garages the City committed to build. Would be weird to move forward on that if Woodbury is exiting the project, I think.

The mayor was on Grow Omaha today, so hopefully she provided an update. I’m hoping the video is uploaded later this afternoon when I have time to watch..

They only touched on the bond issues and mostly explaining/defending TIF.

Any tidbits or hints at other announcements?

Not that I recall. Heath Mello was on with her too and he barely got much air time.

Sometimes I wish Grow Omaha would do their own podcast so they didn't have to fit every show into less time than the ads run for. Yes, sponsors make the show happen but unlike radio, podcasts can let you cater the show length to the content you have which invariably fluctuates from week to week. It may not make sense every week but most of the time G.O. could easily run an hour and a half.

Edit: I forgot the mayor brought up having a plan for revitalizing 16th St but did not elaborate. Also as much as there usually isn't a true "uncut" episode of Grow Omaha every time the mayor is on...she did reveal during a break that she ran into Auditor Foley and he agreed to come to her office for a meeting.

[Brad]

Fire in the little part still standing next to target.