Driving in and around Omaha

[ThreeGGG]

Ever think that those of you experiencing all this might be the cause and not the victim?

I have thought of that, and that is exactly why I posted twice now "before you accuse me of being a crabby old man." I know what I am seeing and I am seeing that Omaha is full of aggressive and angry bad drivers, that insist on tailgating, running red lights, speeding, lane changes without signals, and overall aggressive driving practices.

[Busguy2010]

As somebody whos life has revolved around Central Omaha, I hadn't really acknowledged it til today - its busy ALL the time.

A couple things I noticed; the transit oriented developments haven't cut down on traffic, rather, made it worse. The parking lots are full at these places and they even spill into neighboring business's parking lots. Meaning people aren't taking ORBT like was envisioned.

There are so many more cars on the road in the area now, I'm thinking the TOD's might actively be backfiring. The traffic wasnt this bad 10 years ago, and I think itll probably get progressively worse.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

As somebody whos life has revolved around Central Omaha, I hadn't really acknowledged it til today - its busy ALL the time.

A couple things I noticed; the transit oriented developments haven't cut down on traffic, rather, made it worse. The parking lots are full at these places and they even spill into neighboring business's parking lots. Meaning people aren't taking ORBT like was envisioned.

There are so many more cars on the road in the area now, I'm thinking the TOD's might actively be backfiring. The traffic wasnt this bad 10 years ago, and I think itll probably get progressively worse.

The traffic, in part, is what will lead to the increased transit usage. No city with stellar transit also has empty roads. Also, substantial transit increases from TODs weren't bound to just happen overnight. Density is what makes transit work, but there needs to be transit for density to be appealing. They have to balance each other and right now my perception is there may be a bit more TOD than transit to leverage it. There was also about 100,000 fewer people in the metro area 10 years ago.

[locoluke]

As somebody whos life has revolved around Central Omaha, I hadn't really acknowledged it til today - its busy ALL the time.

A couple things I noticed; the transit oriented developments haven't cut down on traffic, rather, made it worse. The parking lots are full at these places and they even spill into neighboring business's parking lots. Meaning people aren't taking ORBT like was envisioned.

There are so many more cars on the road in the area now, I'm thinking the TOD's might actively be backfiring. The traffic wasnt this bad 10 years ago, and I think itll probably get progressively worse.

A single “BRT” line running in mixed traffic is not going to cause a sizable mode shift from driving to transit. Even if the people in these TOD buildings primarily travel by transit, they still need a car to reach the significant portions of Omaha that are functionally if not completely inaccessible by transit.

[Busguy2010]

Even if the people in these TOD buildings primarily travel by transit, they still need a car to reach the significant portions of Omaha that are functionally if not completely inaccessible by transit.

That's probably the real issue. If I have a car already anyway, let's say I need to go to Westroads, which from 72nd and Dodge, is about the simplest transit action one could make. But I have a car anyway... I think 9 times out of 10, one is not going to choose transit, just for the sake of using it. Add on top of that, practically every unit is going to have at least one car, if not two or three. Add on the extra population. The area's just gotten crazy busy in the last 6-10 years or so. I can point out such additions as the TODs, library, and just more people. The roads are way busier than I think would have been anticipated. Not nearly enough capacity ((physical or operational (signal timing/light length/turn siglan or no turn signal)) at traffic lights on cross-streets along Dodge between 69th and 90th. Its quickly become a massive headache to navigate the Crossroads area.

[Erik]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

Gross

[GenX]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

Gross

I think it’s the bees knees, I love taking that exit!

[Brad]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

That's actually been popular in many other parts of the country and now finally being used here. It eliminates the number of movements from a traditional interchange.

As I said in the 192nd & Dodge thread, other parts of the country, they allow left turns on Red and they are even more efficient than the Omaha version.

[skinzfan23]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

Gross

Agree, if you follow transportation at all, they are becoming more increasing everywhere as Brad mentioned. At one point I heard the long-term plan is to install a few more in the metro with one of them at Hwy 75 and Cornhusker in Bellevue. I can honestly say, this would do wonders for that intersection. These are perfectly designed for roads that are coming off a freeway or highway and would help to eliminate the backups that occur waiting at stop lights.

[locoluke]

The current list of NDOT-proposed DDIs is as follows:

I-80 & N-370
I-80 & N-50
I-80 & L Street
I-680 & Pacific Street
US-75 & Cornhusker Road

[Louie]

The current list of NDOT-proposed DDIs is as follows:

I-80 & N-370
I-80 & N-50
I-80 & L Street
I-680 & Pacific Street
US-75 & Cornhusker Road

I-680 & Pacific seems like a tight squeeze for that but what do I know.

[Busguy2010]

The current list of NDOT-proposed DDIs is as follows:

I-80 & N-370
I-80 & N-50
I-80 & L Street
I-680 & Pacific Street
US-75 & Cornhusker Road

I-680 & Pacific seems like a tight squeeze for that but what do I know.

It doesn't really strike me as a problem exit either. I'd bet dinner at Mahogany, the juice won't be worth the squeeze there.

Plus add that to the 680 construction. Who wants to deal with all that for little, if any gain.

[Erik]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

That's actually been popular in many other parts of the country and now finally being used here. It eliminates the number of movements from a traditional interchange.

As I said in the 192nd & Dodge thread, other parts of the country, they allow left turns on Red and they are even more efficient than the Omaha version.

Interesting perspective. I suppose I need to give it a chance. It just felt weird having to cross, recross, re-recross etc

I guess I just dont understand it enough yet

[nebugeater]

What the actual F were they thinking with the North and Southbound 192nd/Dodge intersection?

Gross

I know, it is great, and about time to see this system used locally.

[nebport5]

A more efficient interchange aside, 192nd & Dodge will be a nightmare if they don’t get 192nd widened by the time Avenue One is built out. The two lanes south of Dodge already get backed up during rush hours.

[locoluke]

As I said in the 192nd & Dodge thread, other parts of the country, they allow left turns on Red and they are even more efficient than the Omaha version.

Even without left on red, they can still accommodate all movements through the intersections with just two signal phases.

I-680 & Pacific seems like a tight squeeze for that but what do I know.

It doesn't really strike me as a problem exit either. I'd bet dinner at Mahogany, the juice won't be worth the squeeze there.

Plus add that to the 680 construction. Who wants to deal with all that for little, if any gain.

I think part of the idea is to increase capacity before it becomes a problem. I am personally more surprised by the planned DDI at I-80 and L St. than anything.

[Brad]

My wife was stopped at a light behind a convertible Corvette today, somewhere between 90th and Center, and 156th and Pacific. In the left turn lane there was a truck and it was super close to the Corvette. My wife could tell the two drivers were talking and not happy with each other. The light turned green and the truck driver threw his full pop at the Corvette driver and pop went all over inside his Corvette. The truck driver took off and the Corvette chased him, unfortunately we don’t know the rest of the story.

[Busguy2010]

No feelings were hurt in the making of this situation, I just thought it was silly. Sitting at a light, person in front of me puts their vehicle in park for whatever reason. When the light turns green, I suppose they forgot because they didn’t go, and I was getting ready to honk. They zipped away and up to speed in nothing flat, essentially making it look like I was the one not going. Go figure, the guy behind me honked at me. I'm not your man! He eventually whipped around me and said something, but I payed him no attention. Just goes to show road rage is a dangerous characteristic to own. Had he been more aggressive something bad could have happened and he'd never known it wasnt me.

[ThreeGGG]

There is an awful lot of road rage in Omaha. The ones full of rage are usually the beginning cause of the rage. You have to be on the defensive side, EVERYWHERE you travel. I have never seen so many tailgaters as I have in Omaha Nebraska.

[ThreeGGG]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

[locoluke]

Does someone riding a horse across the Mormon Bridge count as driving?

When we came upon him, his horse was broadside right in the middle of the highway. I assume it got spooked. He cut his losses and ended up walking it down the shoulder toward Nebraska.

[InTheRoom]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

[ThreeGGG]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

[nebugeater]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

Contradict yourself much? You are either breaking the speed limit or you're not. It is not up to YOU to decide how much over the limit is acceptable

[GenX]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

It’s not your job to police other drivers.

[InTheRoom]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

A minor correction to your post - I'm not sure what you mean by "I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver..." Nowhere in my post did I say the hypothetical tailgater/speeder was in the right, and I have never said that before. I'm saying both behaviors can be wrong.

If you recognize someone is driving unsafely behind you, and you "no longer care" and "refuse" to move out of the way, then that is a separate, equally unsafe form of driving. Leave the lesson teaching and policing to the people who issue tickets. If you want to go the speed limit or slower, that's totally fine, but just let the aggressive drivers learn their lesson naturally rather than trying to impart wisdom in the 20 seconds they're stuck behind you. Responding to aggression with passive aggression isn't a great choice when everyone is in 70mph rolling metal boxes.

[GenX]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

A minor correction to your post - I'm not sure what you mean by "I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver..." Nowhere in my post did I say the hypothetical tailgater/speeder was in the right, and I have never said that before. I'm saying both behaviors can be wrong.

If you recognize someone is driving unsafely behind you, and you "no longer care" and "refuse" to move out of the way, then that is a separate, equally unsafe form of driving. Leave the lesson teaching and policing to the people who issue tickets. If you want to go the speed limit or slower, that's totally fine, but just let the aggressive drivers learn their lesson naturally rather than trying to impart wisdom in the 20 seconds they're stuck behind you. Responding to aggression with passive aggression isn't a great choice when everyone is in 70mph rolling metal boxes.

Excellent points, and to add, behavior like this is also considered road rage as it contributes to and compounds the situation.

[TitosBuritoBarn]

There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly.

They're only partly involved in setting speed limits. Part of the equation for setting speed limits is just vibes.

[GenX]

There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly.

They're only partly involved in setting speed limits. Part of the equation for setting speed limits is just vibes.

The 85th percentile rule also applies to speed limits. It’s the speed at which 85% of traffic moves. It’s not absolute of course, but it’s a criteria.

[Busguy2010]

I typically run into the issue of people egregiously speeding on local streets. Just the other day I was accidentally loose and got up to 55 in a 45. The kicker - somebody else passed me doing at least 65 in a 45. Happens on Expressway exit going eastbound. I typically go 70 on the Expressway (even though its 55) with the other 75% of people, and STILL get passed by people going 80 or more. The real crazy part is once youre back down to ground level going eastbound, the speed limit goes way down to 45... You'd never know it.

[ThreeGGG]

You can tailgate as close as you want to, I no longer care. Your oversized truck with the oversized tires will not change how I drive. I won't go slower, and I won't brake check you, but I also refuse to drive faster or change lanes either. I drive the speed limit, I am courteous, I am aware of my surroundings when I drive, I use to drive professionally, so I know what I am talking about. Your time isn't any more valuable or precious than anyone else's. Insurance agents should do a yearly driver's test with all licensed drivers and adjust rates accordingly. Of course on that day everyone would try to be on their best behavior. I still like the phrase "drive like your life depends on it, because it does." SAFE TRAVELS, Omaha!

Respectfully, if you see someone riding your bumper and you're in the far left lane... move over one. With the mentality above, you're kind of falling victim to the same "I'm more important" mentality that you're criticizing in others, just on the inverse end of the speed spectrum. If you're going 5 over, and the guy behind you is on top of you, just get over and let him pass. THAT is defensive driving. Not making someone pass you on the right.

Respectfully back to you, I stated in my post that I know how to drive. I do not linger in the left lane. I have always used the theory that in heavy interstate traffic that 10 miles an hour over the speed limit is acceptable,under the right conditions. But if the speed limit is 70mph, and someone is doing 80mph, and another driver comes charging up behind at 88mph, that is bullying, intimidating, and reckless driving. I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver, I just don't understand that mentality. I understand that slow poke Joe driving 50mph on a 65mph interstate is also very dangerous. Why defend the bully, intimidating, reckless, speedster drivers? There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly. Why is that so hard to obey? DRIVE SAFELY, it is as simple as that!

A minor correction to your post - I'm not sure what you mean by "I know you and others have tried to defend that type of driver..." Nowhere in my post did I say the hypothetical tailgater/speeder was in the right, and I have never said that before. I'm saying both behaviors can be wrong.

If you recognize someone is driving unsafely behind you, and you "no longer care" and "refuse" to move out of the way, then that is a separate, equally unsafe form of driving. Leave the lesson teaching and policing to the people who issue tickets. If you want to go the speed limit or slower, that's totally fine, but just let the aggressive drivers learn their lesson naturally rather than trying to impart wisdom in the 20 seconds they're stuck behind you. Responding to aggression with passive aggression isn't a great choice when everyone is in 70mph rolling metal boxes.

Excellent points, and to add, behavior like this is also considered road rage as it contributes to and compounds the situation.

Hang on,..... going the speed limit, and obeying the rules of the road are now considered "road rage as it contributes to and compounds the situation"?

[GenX]

Forcing others to follow the rules, yes, is a form of road rage.

[ThreeGGG]

O.... K.....

[Brad]

Anyone see this shellfish idiot?

[Garrett]

There are professionals that have studied traffic flow and patterns and have set speed limits accordingly.

They're only partly involved in setting speed limits. Part of the equation for setting speed limits is just vibes.

Indeed. A road design will always set the speed limit far more than a sign will. Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

[remline]

Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

That was the first example of mismatched speed limits that came into my mind, too! I would like to know the backstory of how that stretch of Dodge came to have a 45 mph limit.

[Busguy2010]

Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

That was the first example of mismatched speed limits that came into my mind, too! I would like to know the backstory of how that stretch of Dodge came to have a 45 mph limit.

Guesses: It has a light. The ramps for Westroads require quite a slow down to access, and one eastbound exit lane co-mingles with a through lane. There are side streets with direct neighborhood access.

I think 45 is correct given the circumstances. But I think they could have/should have anticipated what we have in a current speed limit that NOBODY obeys, and made some modifications to make it safer for higher speed traffic. They cant really raise it because traffic comes to a stop and if something happens there, people will blame them; "but d speed limit iz 6d".

[nebugeater]

Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

That was the first example of mismatched speed limits that came into my mind, too! I would like to know the backstory of how that stretch of Dodge came to have a 45 mph limit.

[Brad]

Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

That was the first example of mismatched speed limits that came into my mind, too! I would like to know the backstory of how that stretch of Dodge came to have a 45 mph limit.

I travel that stretch of dodge 2-4 times a day. I'm usually doing 50-55 and getting passed by every single car.

[Garrett]

Find me a single person going 45 on Dodge between Westroads and 90th St.

That was the first example of mismatched speed limits that came into my mind, too! I would like to know the backstory of how that stretch of Dodge came to have a 45 mph limit.

Guesses: It has a light. The ramps for Westroads require quite a slow down to access, and one eastbound exit lane co-mingles with a through lane. There are side streets with direct neighborhood access.

I think 45 is correct given the circumstances. But I think they could have/should have anticipated what we have in a current speed limit that NOBODY obeys, and made some modifications to make it safer for higher speed traffic. They cant really raise it because traffic comes to a stop and if something happens there, people will blame them; "but d speed limit iz 6d".

Yeah, it’s technically becoming a local road there, but the design of the street doesn’t feel like it.

If you really wanted to slow traffic, you’d need to give people a reason to think they need to slow down. Narrow the lanes, have fewer of them, add a signal and fill intersection at 96 st, etc.

Or if you want it to be a high speed segment, like it’s halfway designed to be, then cut off all the intersecting streets on it up to 90th street. As I recall, area has been a pretty bad spot for car accidents over the years.