Mutual of Omaha Tower (14th & Farnam)

[ItsAllAboutMe]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

[Busguy2010]

I went back and looked at a couple of dates with street view photos:

3/17: 8 floors
3/24: 9 floors
4/7: 11 floors

So looking at this probably a little quicker than we thought, maybe about 7-8 days per floor. (the floors I posted would be the one they are working on or basically the one under the yellow section)

fantastic!

At that pace, we would be looking at CPP around May 5-12, UP around June 9-16, Woodmen August 8-11, and First National first part of December (for the core height, anyway)

Two excellent posts that are exciting.

It has been a great pace! I think it'll slow down a little as it gets taller though. I mean, just the physical action of transporting workers and materials from the base to the tip will be a longer period of time.

[skinzfan23]

It has been a great pace! I think it'll slow down a little as it gets taller though. I mean, just the physical action of transporting workers and materials from the base to the tip will be a longer period of time.

I was thinking it might be the exact opposite. At least for the building as a whole. Right now the core is going up more quickly but once the parking structure part is done, the steel part should be very quick in comparison to all the work involved with the parking garage part.

[stadsborgare]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

I wonder, does the ground-to-first-ceiling count as one garage level, or does the garage really start on the first slab above ground and ground-level be office space or whatever, or why is the first level so high?

[Brad]

I wonder, does the ground-to-first-ceiling count as one garage level, or does the garage really start on the first slab above ground and ground-level be office space or whatever, or why is the first level so high?

Completely wild guesses, but I'm guessing loading docks and trash service will need somewhere to go down on that first level.

[skinzfan23]

Updated view from the park:

[Cermak]

Updated view from the park:

This iconic view of The Woodmen and CPP from the mall will soon be gone forever. Perhaps Omaha’s most photogenic location. It lasted for a little over 40 years. Hopefully Mutual tower will be even better, time will tell. Thanks for the pic.

[skinzfan23]

[nebport5]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

[ItsAllAboutMe]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

[nebport5]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

The only significant detail I can't really account for in the some of the second round of renderings is the center groove/channel running between the Southern and Northern half of the front of the building.

[GenX]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

The detailing on the corners of the garage changed, which you can see in the decks already poured, and that detailing also appears on the high rise portion. Also the crown at the top is completely different. Old rendering had no corners on it and was open, new one is completely enclosed and illuminated.

[Louie]

Huh, good spot. Wonder if they decided they'd need that additional square footage up there.

[Renovator2559]

It's interesting how the MoO tower will look just like Devon tower.
Devon tower is a good preview on how MoO will look like, a beautiful glass beacon!

Both towers designed by international arquitect designer Pichard Chilton (Same firm that designed the Petronas towers and Jeddah Tower; as shown in their website portfolio)
Devon tower is a trilateral form and MoO tower is a quadrilateral form.

Devon tower also has their streetcar passing right next to the building and so will MoO tower.

Devon tower does look alone and dwarfs all surrounding buildings. In our case MoO will be flanked by similar sized FNBO, with a proportional decrease in stature of the rest of the buildings.

I took these pictures of Devon tower on my recent visit to OKC:



Streetcar and Devon Tower







Hopefully the MoO tower will have better lighting at night, than the Devon Tower at night; because Devon tower looks better during the day

[Athomsfere]

I was in OKC for a few weeks off and on while the Devon tower was under construction. Through out construction it seemed to jut out of nothing.

MoO's tower already is looking better. We ate at the Boiler Room last night, and on the way home I was at the light at 15th and Farnam. At it's current height it already fills in the area without looking crazy out of place.

I think it's going to fit in, and also raise the look of the skyline well.

[Renovator2559]

This is a 2022 article but since the mayor alluded to a tall building of 20 stories. Which resembles to the agreement between the city and MoO before construction, does that mean that MoO is needing more square footage and they are in fact going to build a 20 story building in that lot?

"Omahans eventually could see a second Mutual of Omaha downtown office structure, perhaps up to 20 stories high, on the city block east of the current library site where the insurance mammoth plans to build its corporate headquarters.

Details on what specifically would occupy that 1.7 acres are to be hammered out later, CEO James Blackledge told the Nebraska Examiner on Monday.

He said, however, that if the Fortune 500 company continues to grow, it likely will require even more local office space than the 800,000 square feet to be built in the future $443 million office tower at 215 S. 15th St., where the W. Dale Clark library currently sits."

"The proposed agreement was made public and reported on by the Examiner on Friday, and Blackledge elaborated on its contents during an interview Monday. It was the first public mention of the additional block envisioned for Mutual’s growth, although Blackledge said that Mutual had talked about wanting spillover land for future expansion since last September when it was eyeing a different possible downtown headquarters site northwest of 14th and Dodge Streets.

The block east of 14th Street would continue to be used as a construction staging area for up to four years while the main headquarters structure rises. The space is currently being used for the same purpose as the overhaul winds down on the Gene Leahy Mall.
The proposed agreement says that the maximum height of any structure built upon the block east of the library shall not surpass 320 feet. That’s about the height of the 19-story Union Pacific Railroad corporate office tower.

Also, the document says, if the site were to be repurchased at some point later by the city, the maximum height of any future structure would be lowered to 140 feet high and be topped with a “green roof” approved by Mutual.

The idea would be not to block Mutual’s eastward view toward the ongoing $400 million riverfront parks overhaul and new science museum"

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2022/05/02 ... e-library/

[Athomsfere]

Mayor said on Grow Omaha this past Saturday they are holding on to this lot. Short-Term it may be a laydown yard for the Streetcar Construction. Long term they want the "Right Project" with decent height. So far the only interest was from an apartment developer who wanted to build a small building on that lot.

"Omahans eventually could see a second Mutual of Omaha downtown office structure, perhaps up to 20 stories high, on the city block east of the current library site where the insurance mammoth plans to build its corporate headquarters."

East. Not North-east.

The lot in question is currently part of the staging area for the MoO tower.

[Renovator2559]

East. Not North-east.

The lot in question is currently part of the staging area for the MoO tower.

Did I put this in the wrong lot thread, so I can request this to be moved?

And yes the lot is currently being used as staging for MoO but as the article mentions, and if the agreement still stands; MoO would build on the lot right away for the 20 floor building

[Athomsfere]

East. Not North-east.

The lot in question is currently part of the staging area for the MoO tower.

Did I put this in the wrong lot thread, so I can request this to be moved?

And yes the lot is currently being used as staging for MoO but as the article mentions, and if the agreement still stands; MoO would build on the lot right away for the 20 floor building

There is not a right away component. The agreement is they will build another small park there until they decide if they want another tower. I think the term is 20 years.

If they do, they have a height limit of 20 floors or so. If they decide not to, they can sell the lot back to Omaha who can build a tower of like half that at most.

[nebport5]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

The detailing on the corners of the garage changed, which you can see in the decks already poured, and that detailing also appears on the high rise portion. Also the crown at the top is completely different. Old rendering had no corners on it and was open, new one is completely enclosed and illuminated.

You can see all that in the renderings but look at the last two pages of the planning document(above) and the top has the same look as the early renderings.

[Renovator2559]

There is not a right away component. The agreement is they will build another small park there until they decide if they want another tower. I think the term is 20 years.

If they do, they have a height limit of 20 floors or so. If they decide not to, they can sell the lot back to Omaha who can build a tower of like half that at most.

Of course, I remember that a few months ago but with Mayor Jean Stotthert's most recent interview in Grow Omaha. She did not go directly in reaffirming that this lot would be a park for the moment. Instead, she moved directly in mentioning that she is holding off until she gets someone to build 20 stories and no less; which either the agreement was revised to let some other business to develop with that minimum 20 story requirement, or she is keeping MoO decision low key, in using that as a secondary expansion; after the staging phase is complete.

Also, if the agreement of the article of 2022 still holds true, than MoO is the only entity that can fulfill the 20 floor minimum

[GenX]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

The detailing on the corners of the garage changed, which you can see in the decks already poured, and that detailing also appears on the high rise portion. Also the crown at the top is completely different. Old rendering had no corners on it and was open, new one is completely enclosed and illuminated.

You can see all that in the renderings but look at the last two pages of the planning document(above) and the top has the same look as the early renderings.

That’s because the planning docs show the OLD design. Even the shape of the floor plates are different.

[GenX]

There is not a right away component. The agreement is they will build another small park there until they decide if they want another tower. I think the term is 20 years.

If they do, they have a height limit of 20 floors or so. If they decide not to, they can sell the lot back to Omaha who can build a tower of like half that at most.

Of course, I remember that a few months ago but with Mayor Jean Stotthert's most recent interview in Grow Omaha. She did not go directly in reaffirming that this lot would be a park for the moment. Instead, she moved directly in mentioning that she is holding off until she gets someone to build 20 stories and no less; which either the agreement was revised to let some other business to develop with that minimum 20 story requirement, or she is keeping MoO decision low key, in using that as a secondary expansion; after the staging phase is complete.

Also, if the agreement of the article of 2022 still holds true, than MoO is the only entity that can fulfill the 20 floor minimum

You’re talking about two completely different blocks…

[Renovator2559]

You’re talking about two completely different blocks…

That's why I have been asking if this article and the comments I posted, are on the right thread so this could be moved.
What is the name of the block directly east of the MoO; used for staging? What is the thread? Thanks

[GenX]

You’re talking about two completely different blocks…

That's why I have been asking if this article and the comments I posted, are on the right thread so this could be moved.
What is the name of the block directly east of the MoO; used for staging? What is the thread? Thanks

There is not a thread for that lot.

[BRoss]

You’re talking about two completely different blocks…

That's why I have been asking if this article and the comments I posted, are on the right thread so this could be moved.
What is the name of the block directly east of the MoO; used for staging? What is the thread? Thanks

I moved it over to the Mutual of Omaha Tower thread. We talked about the story you posted above back on page 21 - https://eomahaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=350143#p350143

Just to clear up confusion - Brad's quote on your post is unrelated to this lot and was referring to the old UP site.

[Cermak]

This evening. Even at just 11 floors it’s already looking pretty impressive.

[thenewguy]

i like that angle. We should also be due up for a floor move in the next couple days?

[Brad]

This evening. Even at just 11 floors it’s already looking pretty impressive.

Probably more like 12 or 13 at the top of the yellow. In your photo, floor 9 is just below the walkway, 10 is behind the walkway, 11 is just above the walkway, just blow the yellow, so 12 and possibly 13 are under the yellow.

[skinzfan23]

This evening. Even at just 11 floors it’s already looking pretty impressive.

Probably more like 12 or 13 at the top of the yellow. In your photo, floor 9 is just below the walkway, 10 is behind the walkway, 11 is just above the walkway, just blow the yellow, so 12 and possibly 13 are under the yellow.

I agree, the levels under the yellow section should be 12 and 13. I think they must have raised it up since last Sunday when I was down there.

[almighty_tuna]

I really hope there is a time lapse of the project in process.

[skinzfan23]

I really hope there is a time lapse of the project in process.

I was just going to say, I am surprised there isn't a public construction cam of the project yet. I understood at first with just ground work being done, but now that they are 1/4 down with the core height, you would think there would be one.

[nebport5]

If you look at he "Elevation plans" in the attached planning document you will see that the last parking level is floor 12.
Floor 13, Amenities floor( usually named 14 in most high rise buildings due to superstitions) will be a taller floor. The office floors will also be taller then those of the garage but not as tall as the Amenities floor. The crown of the building will stand a bit above the elevator core.
https://planning.cityofomaha.org/images ... rch/12.pdf

Unless there are updated documents...based upon the attached images I'm thinking the tower will turn out a bit closer to the first renderings than the second. I'm not sure there are two different designs per se and the variations can be attributed to multiple renderings with different lighting, shading, view points and etc.

Unless someone knows otherwise?

I see no difference from the approved planning documents I linked and the current construction. Now, unless Mutual went back to the planning department with updated plans and had them approved, I'm not aware that that happened.

The detailing on the corners of the garage changed, which you can see in the decks already poured, and that detailing also appears on the high rise portion. Also the crown at the top is completely different. Old rendering had no corners on it and was open, new one is completely enclosed and illuminated.

Yes, those distinctions are mostly apparent from the two sets of renderings but I was fishing for an updated planning document (Or better yet, blueprints). Much easier for older eyes to see delineated floor plates and elevations vs foggy renderings. For example, the western setback clearly seen in the early renderings/planning docs isn't so apparent in the latter renderings.

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Typical floor plate, layouts. etc. are are not the same as rendered drawings. They have different purposes just as a composite drawing is not the same as a layout drawing. The level of detail and what is shown on a particular type of drawing are different. The exterior curtain wall can be vastly different then the actual floor plan. The planning doc show the basic layouts and elevational views. They are not intended to show highly detailed finish. I stick with that the "planning Doc" represent what is being built. As we can now see the parking floors are indeed wrapping around the tower on the east side.

[skinzfan23]

As we can now see the parking floors are indeed wrapping around the tower on the east side.

I don’t think that is the case at all. You can see in the 2nd picture I took today, it’s just scaffolding. On the sides you can see the levels of the garage but not in the middle:

[ItsAllAboutMe]

As we can now see the parking floors are indeed wrapping around the tower on the east side.

I don’t think that is the case at all. You can see in the 2nd picture I took today, it’s just scaffolding. On the sides you can see the levels of the garage but not in the middle:

Absolutely the case. The TYPICAL PARKING PLAN begins once they are above the lobby level, floors 3 through 12 will wrap around the east side of the elevator. That is what the scaffolding is for, obviously you don't want the garage parking going through the front entrance. As you can see level 3 has begun to wrap around from the North, the scaffolding is taking shape on the south.

[skinzfan23]

I see what you’re saying. So it will wrap around starting a few floors up…that makes sense.

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I see what you’re saying. So it will wrap around starting a few floors up…that makes sense.

Yup, just a lot of scaffolding...impressive to see it take shape.

[skinzfan23]

You can now see it peaking up between the OWH and UP building

[nebport5]

Typical floor plate, layouts. etc. are are not the same as rendered drawings. They have different purposes just as a composite drawing is not the same as a layout drawing. The level of detail and what is shown on a particular type of drawing are different. The exterior curtain wall can be vastly different then the actual floor plan. The planning doc show the basic layouts and elevational views. They are not intended to show highly detailed finish. I stick with that the "planning Doc" represent what is being built. As we can now see the parking floors are indeed wrapping around the tower on the east side.

Yes, and I didn't want to make hard assumptions based upon either.