Kansas City Chiefs

[omaha79]

Absolute shame. Arrowhead is such a unique stadium in a world of cookie cutters. Get ready for another glass domed stadium that looks like the rest.

I think Arrowhead is very loud, but there really isn't anything super special about it. It is similar to the other football venues built around that time frame 50 years ago.

Arrowhead was a football specific stadium built in an era when new stadiums were predominantly multi-use. Additionally, that loudness comes from the stadium having a sharper incline in seating than most other stadiums. So no, Arrowhead was special when it was built.

I think this will be a case of the fans not realizing what they've lost until it's long gone.

The new stadium will have 10k fewer seats and more luxury boxes. The luxury boxes are full of corporate guests that make zero noise. It will not be as loud of an experience. People will be spread out and the rank and file fans will likely struggle to get tickets with many longtime season ticket holders being priced out of the new venue.

And, if you expect that gameday experience of grills for as far as the eye can see, good luck. Kansas has zero mass transit and this will not have near the parking as the old stadium as modern design sees a sea of parking lots around a stadium as wasted prime real estate. Gone are the days where Chiefs fans will be out grilling 4 hours before the game and walk into the stadium. Welcome to an era of shuttle busses from remote lots miles away and eating at team branded restaurants and bars surrounding the stadium.

It will be much more corporate experience, built by corporations for corporate sponsors. Some may like it, but it will absolutely be cookie cutter, bland, and lacking in whatever identity was unique to the Chiefs.

Pretty soon, every NFL game will be indoors, and you'll struggle to tell whether you're in KC, Las Vegas, LA, Chicago, etc. The NFL is reaching a point where their facilities have the same amount of character as the average NBA or NHL arena.

[omaha79]

I will note that Missouri has now lost both of their NFL teams: the Rams and the Chiefs.

If you go back farther it’s three, as the Cardinals were in St Louis from 1960 to 1988.

If you really want to go deep:
Missouri has lost...
Kansas City Scouts NHL moved to Denver and became the Colorado Rockies in 1976 (now the New Jersey Devils)
Kansas City/Omaha Kings NBA: moved to Sacramento in 1984
Kansas City Wizards MLS Soccer, renaming to Sporting Kansas City after they moved to Kansas City, KS in 2010
Kansas City Athletics MLB ("A's") moved to Oakland in 1967
Side note: MLB expansion awarded KC (Royals) and Seattle (Pilots) new franchises in 1968 to begin play in 1971. The Missouri senate forced MLB to begin playing in both cities in 1969. Seattle wasn't ready with infrastructure or anything and the team quickly tanked and became the Milwaukee Brewers

St Louis NFL Cardinals moved to Arizona in 1987
St Louis Rams NFL moved from LA in 1995 and back to LA in 2015
St Louis Hawks NBA moved to Atlanta in 1968
St Louis Browns MLB moved and became the Baltimore Orioles in 1954
Spirits of St Louis ABA, folded in 1976 before the NBA/ABA merger

It is interesting that barring a last minute miracle from the Royals, pretty soon, the state of Missouri will only have

1. St. Louis Cardinals
2. St. Louis Blues
3. St. Louis City SC

I don't fully comprehend the level of hatred between Missouri and Kansas that's deeply rooted and based back to the civil war along with college rivalries. In KC, they've played nice enough when it comes to their pro sports teams, but the move of the Chiefs and possibly Royals from Missouri to Kansas seems to have struck a nerve and emotions are raw. It will be interesting how many, if any, fans abandon the Chiefs. My sense is it will be few, and any loss of fans will be more about people being unseated from their season tickets due to cost and lack of availability in a new smaller stadium and loss of traditions like tailgating. But, winning cures quite a bit. I'm not a Chiefs fan, but they went from a middle of the road in terms of value franchise to one of the crown jewels of the NFL in a 10 year span thanks to a hall of fame head coach and a few generational players.

It will be interesting to see what Kansas is actually buying here. The history of the Chiefs after the 1960's and prior to the 2020's was mostly middling mediocrity at best, and absolute futility at worst. The excitement of this stadium is fueled by Mahomes and the championships. It will be an odd look if they roll into the new stadium in Mahomes year 14, if he's even still active by then, looking more like the Las Vegas Raiders than the Chiefs that most have come to see of late. I have no dog in that fight either way.

[remline]

Anyways, lovely to see Kansas giving a guy worth $25 billion an additional $1.8 billion to move a business that will generate sales tax for the state about 20-30 days per year.

I tend to be pretty skeptical of public financing for professional sports, too. Nonetheless, I found this article fairly interesting: Revisiting how Kansas STAR bonds will finance the Chiefs’ new stadium.

Per the article: "The Kansas plan uses its unique STAR (Sales Tax and Revenue) program. Private investors would purchase so-called 'STAR bonds' to help finance up to two new stadiums. The bonds would be repaid by the 6.5% Kansas state sales tax collected at the new facilities (and any developments that rise around them)."

So, at least in theory, bond investors and stadium users will be paying for the development. That being said, tax dollars are fungible, so it seems a stretch to say that a specific tax dollar is used for a specific purpose.

[iamjacobm]

Anyways, lovely to see Kansas giving a guy worth $25 billion an additional $1.8 billion to move a business that will generate sales tax for the state about 20-30 days per year.

I tend to be pretty skeptical of public financing for professional sports, too. Nonetheless, I found this article fairly interesting: Revisiting how Kansas STAR bonds will finance the Chiefs’ new stadium.

Per the article: "The Kansas plan uses its unique STAR (Sales Tax and Revenue) program. Private investors would purchase so-called 'STAR bonds' to help finance up to two new stadiums. The bonds would be repaid by the 6.5% Kansas state sales tax collected at the new facilities (and any developments that rise around them)."

So, at least in theory, bond investors and stadium users will be paying for the development. That being said, tax dollars are fungible, so it seems a stretch to say that a specific tax dollar is used for a specific purpose.

The proposed STAR bond district is much broader than the immediate area around the stadium/practice facility. Taking up a large portion of the KS side of the metro.

https://www.kansascommerce.gov/wp-conte ... fs-map.pdf

[nebugeater]

Anyways, lovely to see Kansas giving a guy worth $25 billion an additional $1.8 billion to move a business that will generate sales tax for the state about 20-30 days per year.

I tend to be pretty skeptical of public financing for professional sports, too. Nonetheless, I found this article fairly interesting: Revisiting how Kansas STAR bonds will finance the Chiefs’ new stadium.

Per the article: "The Kansas plan uses its unique STAR (Sales Tax and Revenue) program. Private investors would purchase so-called 'STAR bonds' to help finance up to two new stadiums. The bonds would be repaid by the 6.5% Kansas state sales tax collected at the new facilities (and any developments that rise around them)."

So, at least in theory, bond investors and stadium users will be paying for the development. That being said, tax dollars are fungible, so it seems a stretch to say that a specific tax dollar is used for a specific purpose.

Doesn't matter. Still paid for by the taxpayer. People are magically not having more to spend, just maybe at a different location. Needs to be paid for by the owners who make the revenue. Sounds like the Chiefs will get all the profit generated by the stadium, including non-Chief events. I am a chiefs fan and these deals strink

[Greg S]

Anyways, lovely to see Kansas giving a guy worth $25 billion an additional $1.8 billion to move a business that will generate sales tax for the state about 20-30 days per year.

I tend to be pretty skeptical of public financing for professional sports, too. Nonetheless, I found this article fairly interesting: Revisiting how Kansas STAR bonds will finance the Chiefs’ new stadium.

Per the article: "The Kansas plan uses its unique STAR (Sales Tax and Revenue) program. Private investors would purchase so-called 'STAR bonds' to help finance up to two new stadiums. The bonds would be repaid by the 6.5% Kansas state sales tax collected at the new facilities (and any developments that rise around them)."

So, at least in theory, bond investors and stadium users will be paying for the development. That being said, tax dollars are fungible, so it seems a stretch to say that a specific tax dollar is used for a specific purpose.

Doesn't matter. Still paid for by the taxpayer. People are magically not having more to spend, just maybe at a different location. Needs to be paid for by the owners who make the revenue. Sounds like the Chiefs will get all the profit generated by the stadium, including non-Chief events. I am a chiefs fan and these deals strink

These sound similar to what we have been using up here. CHI, Liberty First, Viaero Center and others have used something similar. Down there they used Star Bonds both for the Nascar track and where Sporting KC plays.

Now the next stadium decision in KC is for the Royals.