Is the Omaha metro population growing faster than the US Census estimates?

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:36 pm

I’m interested in your feedback..

It’s occurred to me, amongst the well documented trend that Omaha is one of the top cities Millennials are moving too, combined with reports of an Omaha zip code- 68144- being the 2nd hottest zip code for home buyers on the market in the US (and 43% of those home buyers in that zip code are millennials)- ...........

This has me wondering.. Is the Omaha metro growing population at a faster clip than our US Census indicates to us in their annual estimates? According to the latest estimate, Omaha added 10,000 to its metro population within the past year and 78,000 overall since 2010. These are solid and steady growth numbers for sure.. But it just feels like the metro, as a whole, has seen more of a surge the past 10 years. Noticeably to me, the traffic is just plain more congestive. Omaha is not a “20 minute city” anymore. Not that Omaha’s at the New York, Chicago or even Denver, Colorado congested level, lol.. But Omaha is noticeably more congested to me the past 10 years. And it’s not just due to road construction. Most friends and family I talk to feel the same way..

Of course traffic is only one indicator of metropolitan growth. Growing retail and new to market attractions are another. Top Golf, for example, is a HUGE get for Omaha. As is our recently opened Bentley car dealership at Village Pointe. The list here could go on and on..

This all said, it begs the question- Is Metro Omaha growing at a faster clip than the annual US Census estimates? Again, I’m interested in your feedback..

What say you?...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

ita · Post by **ita** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:24 pm

Omaha Cowboy wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:36 pm I’m interested in your feedback..

It’s occurred to me, amongst the well documented trend that Omaha is one of the top cities Millennials are moving too, combined with reports of an Omaha zip code- 68144- being the 2nd hottest zip code for home buyers on the market in the US (and 43% of those home buyers in that zip code are millennials)- ...........

This has me wondering.. Is the Omaha metro growing population at a faster clip than our US Census indicates to us in their annual estimates? According to the latest estimate, Omaha added 10,000 to its metro population within the past year and 78,000 overall since 2010. These are solid and steady growth numbers for sure.. But it just feels like the metro, as a whole, has seen more of a surge the past 10 years. Noticeably to me, the traffic is just plain more congestive. Omaha is not a “20 minute city” anymore. Not that Omaha’s at the New York, Chicago or even Denver, Colorado congested level, lol.. But Omaha is noticeably more congested to me the past 10 years. And it’s not just due to road construction. Most friends and family I talk to feel the same way..

Of course traffic is only one indicator of metropolitan growth. Growing retail and new to market attractions are another. Top Golf, for example, is a HUGE get for Omaha. As is our recently opened Bentley car dealership at Village Pointe. The list here could go on and on..

This all said, it begs the question- Is Metro Omaha growing at a faster clip than the annual US Census estimates? Again, I’m interested in your feedback..

What say you?...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I am also hoping that recent trends in urban infill, despite the ever spreading urban sprawl, will show encouraging density. I also want to know if there is a shift from living out west to working downtown to living downtown and working out west. Based on the way traffic has been going east in the afternoon suggests the latter is a growing trend in our city.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:48 pm

ita wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:24 pm
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:36 pm I’m interested in your feedback..

It’s occurred to me, amongst the well documented trend that Omaha is one of the top cities Millennials are moving too, combined with reports of an Omaha zip code- 68144- being the 2nd hottest zip code for home buyers on the market in the US (and 43% of those home buyers in that zip code are millennials)- ...........

This has me wondering.. Is the Omaha metro growing population at a faster clip than our US Census indicates to us in their annual estimates? According to the latest estimate, Omaha added 10,000 to its metro population within the past year and 78,000 overall since 2010. These are solid and steady growth numbers for sure.. But it just feels like the metro, as a whole, has seen more of a surge the past 10 years. Noticeably to me, the traffic is just plain more congestive. Omaha is not a “20 minute city” anymore. Not that Omaha’s at the New York, Chicago or even Denver, Colorado congested level, lol.. But Omaha is noticeably more congested to me the past 10 years. And it’s not just due to road construction. Most friends and family I talk to feel the same way..

Of course traffic is only one indicator of metropolitan growth. Growing retail and new to market attractions are another. Top Golf, for example, is a HUGE get for Omaha. As is our recently opened Bentley car dealership at Village Pointe. The list here could go on and on..

This all said, it begs the question- Is Metro Omaha growing at a faster clip than the annual US Census estimates? Again, I’m interested in your feedback..

What say you?...

Ciao..LiO...Peace
I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I am also hoping that recent trends in urban infill, despite the ever spreading urban sprawl, will show encouraging density. I also want to know if there is a shift from living out west to working downtown to living downtown and working out west. Based on the way traffic has been going east in the afternoon suggests the latter is a growing trend in our city.

I think you bring up a really great point regarding urban infill project trends. Obviously AK Village simply jumps out as a smashing success. As does the regentrification of the Blackstone District, the Leavenworth areas south of downtown starting at 20th street, what’s currently sizzling in the North Downtown corridor etc etc.. I think Omaha has finally began to strike a nice balance between suburban growth and urban infill growth east of 72nd street. I don’t perceive Omaha’s metro growth as dominant today out in the west and northwest suburbs, or in Sarpy country with nearly complete stagnation east of 72nd street- which was seen 20-30 years ago..

I think this trend definitely contributes to my feeling that the Omaha numbers for the official 2020 Census may very well reveal the Omaha metro closing in on the 1 million population number well before the projected 2023 or 2024 date(s)...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

VeloRider · Post by **VeloRider** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:16 pm

One of the best indicators that I am aware of, and that I believe the Census follows, is the building permits for new dwelling units per metro area. It is updated monthly and pretty interesting: https://www.census.gov/construction/bps ... 201906.txt
If you go to the home page, you can click back for previous years. This year, it looks like the Omaha metro area has issued just over 2,000 unit permits, of which 797 were for large, multi unit projects. That's a pretty good clip, but not sure how it compares to past years. For comparison, Des Monies is at 1,900 new total units for the year to date.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:29 pm

VeloRider wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:16 pm One of the best indicators that I am aware of, and that I believe the Census follows, is the building permits for new dwelling units per metro area. It is updated monthly and pretty interesting: https://www.census.gov/construction/bps ... 201906.txt
If you go to the home page, you can click back for previous years. This year, it looks like the Omaha metro area has issued just over 2,000 unit permits, of which 797 were for large, multi unit projects. That's a pretty good clip, but not sure how it compares to past years. For comparison, Des Monies is at 1,900 new total units for the year to date.

Thanks for the link. And I agree, that’s a very useful measuring stick for metropolitan growth.. That Omaha is exceeding the building permit pace of what has been estimated as one of the fastest growing metros in the Midwest (Des Moines, Iowa) speaks volumes to what I believe has been an enhanced growth rate for the Omaha metro this decade. I know this is yet one additional messing stick, but I also believe the Omaha MSA growth rate this decade is being a bit low-balled by the annual US Census estimates. Once the actual numbers come in for the official 2020 US Census, I believe we’ll see Omaha much closer to the 1 million metro population mark than the annual estimates lead us to believe...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Cermak · Post by **Cermak** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:39 am

Those are impressive numbers for Omaha, roughly half of Kansas City’s. Lincoln also has good numbers for its size, ahead of every metro in Iowa except Des Moines. Seems like Des Moines and Iowa city get the bulk of Iowa’s growth and then Cedar Rapids and Ames. But the rest of the states metro’s really struggle to add population including Council Bluffs.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:57 pm

Cermak wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:39 am Those are impressive numbers for Omaha

They are. And I plan to keep an eye on this measuring stick..

It seems like every day, without me having to bring it up, I’ll have a conversation with a family member, friend or co worker who basically states how much more congested it is to get around Omaha these days. In fact, a person I work with brought this up in small talk conversation today..

My eye test leads me to believe that Omaha is experiencing more robust population growth. I can’t wait for the “official” 2020 US Census numbers that come out in 2021...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:57 am

The 2020 census figures come out in December 2020.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:05 pm

nativeomahan wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:57 am The 2020 census figures come out in December 2020.

Good to hear.. Since we’re always one year behind when the “new” annual estimates are released in March/April...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:05 am

Those are impressive numbers for Omaha, roughly half of Kansas City’s. Lincoln also has good numbers for its size, ahead of every metro in Iowa except Des Moines. Seems like Des Moines and Iowa city get the bulk of Iowa’s growth and then Cedar Rapids and Ames. But the rest of the states metro’s really struggle to add population including Council Bluffs.

Council Bluffs' floundering population is perplexing. Current estimates have it growing LESS THAN 1% since 2010 census.

A bit ironic... when you consider all those people on social media who say they're going to move to Council Bluffs every time there's an Omaha/Nebraska tax story.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:21 pm

Stargazer wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:05 am Council Bluffs' floundering population is perplexing. Current estimates have it growing LESS THAN 1% since 2010 census.

A bit ironic... when you consider all those people on social media who say they're going to move to Council Bluffs every time there's an Omaha/Nebraska tax story.

Not only Council Bluffs (Pottawattamie County), but the entire 3 county Iowa portion of the Omaha metro has been pretty much at zero growth this decade.. The obvious growth drivers of the Omaha metro are Douglas and Sarpy counties.. At least the Nebraska side of the metro is experiencing healthy gains. An exception on the Nebraska side is when you factor in the CSA population which adds Fremont (Dodge County)- which is functioning like the Iowa counties with flatline zero growth.. It’s all disappointing to say the least...

Perhaps the official 2020 Census numbers will reveal a different story...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Professor Woland · Post by **Professor Woland** » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:06 pm

I remember listening to an episode of Grow Omaha a few months ago where a developer was discussing the difference between Nebraska and Iowa laws. Apparently in Nebraska an developer can issue bonds to pay for a subdivision, which is very helpful in getting a development going. In Iowa this isn't permitted. So when a developer in the metro is looking to develop a lot of land into a subdivision the Nebraska side is going to be more appealing. Now I might have this wrong, but I think I understood his point well enough. I am a little surprised there hasn't been more apartment development near downtown Council Bluffs, but I am not familiar enough with the area to know what buildings would be available, how easy development is, and what the level of nearby amenities are that might justify it. If I am wrong about any of this, feel free to set the record straight.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm

That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Professor Woland · Post by **Professor Woland** » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:39 pm

Omaha Cowboy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

True. I was curious about how metros on Iowa's borders are growing. It's hard to discern anything really. The Sioux City metro does better on the Iowa side. The Quad Cities do significantly better on the Iowa side, but this is understandable given that Illinois is hemorrhaging population.

bigredmed1 · Post by **bigredmed1** » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 am

Professor Woland wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:39 pm
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace
True. I was curious about how metros on Iowa's borders are growing. It's hard to discern anything really. The Sioux City metro does better on the Iowa side. The Quad Cities do significantly better on the Iowa side, but this is understandable given that Illinois is hemorrhaging population.

I guess that having been to the quad cities, Iowa would win as it has more picturesque land and has the public service advantage. Illinois is a 3rd world country in the making. That one is easy. Having been in the Sioux City area, this is also easy as SSC is kind of dumpy. If I had to pick a side of the river, Iowa wins. CB has a lot of dumpy areas and much is easily floodable. The eastern area of Pott Co is pretty, but a long way away from entertainment, the airport, advanced medical care, universities, banks,etc. If I chose Sarpy county, those services are much closer.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:32 pm

bigredmed1 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 am
Professor Woland wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:39 pm
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace
True. I was curious about how metros on Iowa's borders are growing. It's hard to discern anything really. The Sioux City metro does better on the Iowa side. The Quad Cities do significantly better on the Iowa side, but this is understandable given that Illinois is hemorrhaging population.
I guess that having been to the quad cities, Iowa would win as it has more picturesque land and has the public service advantage. Illinois is a 3rd world country in the making. That one is easy. Having been in the Sioux City area, this is also easy as SSC is kind of dumpy. If I had to pick a side of the river, Iowa wins. CB has a lot of dumpy areas and much is easily floodable. The eastern area of Pott Co is pretty, but a long way away from entertainment, the airport, advanced medical care, universities, banks,etc. If I chose Sarpy county, those services are much closer.

Good feedback guys..

I’ll be really curious to see if the actual numbers for the Iowa side of the Omaha MSA and the added Dodge County NE component of the CSA, experience better growth numbers than the annual estimates have been projecting..

I fully believe that Douglas and Sarpy counties are growing at an even faster clip than the estimates.. These are just my perceptions of course...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:54 pm

Professor Woland wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:39 pm
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace
True. I was curious about how metros on Iowa's borders are growing. It's hard to discern anything really. The Sioux City metro does better on the Iowa side. The Quad Cities do significantly better on the Iowa side, but this is understandable given that Illinois is hemorrhaging population.

Pretty much every cross state metro area has very lopsided growth patterns that favor the state of the principal city. Charlotte, Portland, Cincinnati, Chicago, St. Louis all come to mind. The only one off the top of my head that’s somewhat even is Kansas City.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:24 pm

Garrett wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:54 pm
Professor Woland wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:39 pm
Omaha Cowboy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:06 pm That’s some interesting feedback for sure..and perhaps valid to an extent in Western Iowa..

It certainly doesn’t seem to slow down developers in selected parts of central and eastern Iowa though...

Ciao..LiO...Peace
True. I was curious about how metros on Iowa's borders are growing. It's hard to discern anything really. The Sioux City metro does better on the Iowa side. The Quad Cities do significantly better on the Iowa side, but this is understandable given that Illinois is hemorrhaging population.
Pretty much every cross state metro area has very lopsided growth patterns that favor the state of the principal city. Charlotte, Portland, Cincinnati, Chicago, St. Louis all come to mind. The only one off the top of my head that’s somewhat even is Kansas City.

Agreed. When you go through any of the other multiple state MSA’s and CSA’s, the one that stands out in fitting the profile is KC MO/KS.. The only other one, and it’s not really apples to apples, is the Washington DC MSA/CSA...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

VeloRider · Post by **VeloRider** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:39 pm

It looks like Des Moines has caught up to Omaha this year.
It looks like Omaha's total permits per year have been about 4 to 5 K. Given that there are about 2 people per household now and taking into account pent up demand, the census estimates actually should not be too far off for the Omaha metro area (8,000 to 10,000 increase per year in population).

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:14 pm

It’ll be interesting to see how these permit numbers shake out for 2019 and 2020.. It’s one variable for sure. But I still get the sense Omaha’s growth is lowballed somewhat by the annual estimates. History shows it’s happened before..

But we’ll see and keep an eye out for other signs of this “trend”...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:14 am

Iowa has a million extra rural residents to drive Des Moines growth. Des Moines will out pace Omaha on that alone for decades to come.

As fast as that growth is however, they won't exceed Omaha's size in my life time. Suck it urbandsm. ;)

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:48 am

The only way that’ll happen, is if Omaha stopped growing and DSM continued growth at its estimated pace over the next 50 years. Neither of those things will happen, so you have nothing to worry about, lol..

Ciao..LiO...Peace

ita · Post by **ita** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:06 pm

In connection to this discussion about relative growth between Omaha and DSM, NP Dodges 2nd Quarter Multifamily report provides some comparative statistics for the multifamily market. If you have seen their other reports on office and industrial space, Omaha has a similarly low vacancy rate when it comes to multifamily housing. Additionally, the market continues to grow with new construction and renovations.

One thing not mentioned here, but talked about in the last Grow Omaha episode which had the author as their guest, is that there is a shift in the percentage in MF units between urban and suburban Omaha. I think the numbers were like 10% were downtown in 2010 and are now at 30% (I don't know if that includes any in-construction projects. Comparatively, Lincoln's is about 10% in urban Lincoln.

http://www.thenewsfunnel.com/sites/defa ... uarter.pdf

skinzfan23 · Post by **skinzfan23** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:42 pm

Thanks for posting that link. Always great to see how we stack up in a comparison to other cities and to also see the list of units coming online.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:53 pm

Let me echo this, thanks for posting that link. Excellent contribution to the content of this thread..

Enjoyed reading the data

...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

skinzfan23 · Post by **skinzfan23** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:26 am

Nebraska's population grew in 2019, but not by much

New population estimates released Monday by the U.S. Census Bureau indicate that Nebraska grew by just 8,800 people between 2018 and 2019 — the lowest annual growth this decade.

The state’s growth rate was sluggish, as well, not even reaching one-half of 1%.

Iowa’s population growth was more sluggish than Nebraska’s. Iowa added fewer people — 6,450 — for an annual growth rate of two-tenths of 1%.

Pretty impressive that Nebraska had more overall population growth in the past year than Iowa.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:19 am

skinzfan23 wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:26 am Nebraska's population grew in 2019, but not by much

New population estimates released Monday by the U.S. Census Bureau indicate that Nebraska grew by just 8,800 people between 2018 and 2019 — the lowest annual growth this decade.

The state’s growth rate was sluggish, as well, not even reaching one-half of 1%.

Iowa’s population growth was more sluggish than Nebraska’s. Iowa added fewer people — 6,450 — for an annual growth rate of two-tenths of 1%.
Pretty impressive that Nebraska had more overall population growth in the past year than Iowa.

That is shocking to see. Well done, Nebraska.

Stargazer · Post by **Stargazer** » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:16 pm

Pretty much the same story for both Nebraska and Iowa... no one coming into the state... and what we do have, moving from rural to suburban (so Omaha/Lincoln continuing to 'grow' at a respectable rate).

nativeomahan · Post by **nativeomahan** » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:03 am

The trend toward depopulation of the Great Plains and Midwest (excepting the larger cities) continues. It is a trend that is about 90 years ongoing. I doubt it will change anytime soon.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:26 pm

nativeomahan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:03 am The trend toward depopulation of the Great Plains and Midwest (excepting the larger cities) continues. It is a trend that is about 90 years ongoing. I doubt it will change anytime soon.

A lot of just relocating from towns below 100k to towns above 100k.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:22 pm

Louie wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:26 pm
nativeomahan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:03 am The trend toward depopulation of the Great Plains and Midwest (excepting the larger cities) continues. It is a trend that is about 90 years ongoing. I doubt it will change anytime soon.
A lot of just relocating from towns below 100k to towns above 100k.

Some smaller towns can grow if they are at least a certain size, on transporation routes (interstates) and have something to bring people in (a college or corporation). My examples are Kearney and Mitchell, SD. Of course Sydney is an example of how vulnerable these towns can be.

Garrett · Post by **Garrett** » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:50 pm

nativeomahan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:03 am The trend toward depopulation of the Great Plains and Midwest (excepting the larger cities) continues. It is a trend that is about 90 years ongoing. I doubt it will change anytime soon.

Even the larger cities in the Great Lakes section are struggling. Out of them, only Indianapolis is growing at a somewhat healthy pace. It's the Plains that are doing well, with Kansas City, Des Moines, Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Omaha all growing nicely.

Louie · Post by **Louie** » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:13 pm

I just picked the 100k number as a nice round reference point. I realize it isn't a truly honest statistic.

daveoma · Post by **daveoma** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:51 pm

Garrett wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:50 pm
nativeomahan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:03 am The trend toward depopulation of the Great Plains and Midwest (excepting the larger cities) continues. It is a trend that is about 90 years ongoing. I doubt it will change anytime soon.
Even the larger cities in the Great Lakes section are struggling. Out of them, only Indianapolis is growing at a somewhat healthy pace. It's the Plains that are doing well, with Kansas City, Des Moines, Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Omaha all growing nicely.

I suspect that if economic opportunities continue along with relatively cheap cost of living, the Midwest will either continue to grow or stabilize given that people from the coasts are constantly looking for cheaper costs of living.

TitosBuritoBarn · Post by **TitosBuritoBarn** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:42 am

It sounds like with all that's happening the 2020 Census is not panning out to be very accurate. The statistician in the article below believes it to be completely sabotaged. I imagine we'll see a dip in population in eastern Omaha because minority groups are less likely to fill out the census form and the Supreme Court, for whatever reason, has halted all door-to-door counting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=citylab

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:51 pm

TitosBuritoBarn wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:42 am It sounds like with all that's happening the 2020 Census is not panning out to be very accurate. The statistician in the article below believes it to be completely sabotaged. I imagine we'll see a dip in population in eastern Omaha because minority groups are less likely to fill out the census form and the Supreme Court, for whatever reason, has halted all door-to-door counting.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=citylab

I’ve been following this mess of a situation..and we’ll have to wait and see if there is indeed inaccuracies compared to the annual US Census estimates...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

strangerthings · Post by **strangerthings** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:39 am

I am surprised by how much bigger the Omaha CSA is than the Des Moines CSA

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:16 pm

Omaha, historically, has always been the larger city, metro and CSA compared to Des Moines, IA..

Similar to Kansas City, MO historically, always being the larger city, metro and CSA compared to Omaha..

But we have a triangle of thriving and growing cites between these 3..and the entire area is poised for much population/economic growth leading into the next decade...

Ciao..LiO...Peace

Athomsfere · Post by **Athomsfere** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:02 pm

Just random thoughts:

But if Omaha and the area keeps growing as it has been the last 20 years...

Omaha (proper) could be 1+ million in 2060,
Omaha MSA: 2.3 million,
Omaha, Lincoln CSA ~3 million.

I wonder the odds of Omaha keeping going.

Post by **Omaha Cowboy** » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:42 pm

It’ll be interesting to see where the Omaha metro and CSA lands once the 2020 official US Census numbers are released.. in knocking around their web site, it’s hard to nail down when those numbers will actually be released for media/public consumption..

The best I can determine, it’ll be sometime between April-September.. So we may be waiting longer than usual for results...

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