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Don't have any idea what these football players are doing in their off time, wearing masks or anything. In any event I hope wearing a mask doesn't bring a false sense of security, I personally value the social distancing aspect far higher. So I'm looking at any social gatherings, especially indoors, and in high concentrations being of particular concern with the football team which is no doubt difficult at that age. Wonder what kind of rules the coaching staff has implemented for those guys. As for the stadium and any potential games you would have to think the AD would be far more interested in the TV money than packing a stadium. There is no reason you can't get 10k people to sparsely and strategically populate the outdoor stadium but any more and you might be getting a little close. Could still be considered a sellout if that's all they put up to sell. The real money would have to be made from frothing football fans on the couch that ESPN and the b10 network would be equally frothing to broadcast. Viewership from casual fans across the country would likely be high as they would be starved to watch any type of sporting event.
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Omahacritic wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:10 pmWhere did I say they wouldn’t be pressured? Stop the hate and you will stop putting words into peoples’s mouth.omaha79 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:51 pmYou're nuts if you don't think the athletes will be pressured. That any player who chooses to sit out and take their scholarship without playing won't get blackballed by their team and coaches in the future.Omahacritic wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:23 pm Is anyone holding a gun to these player’s heads?
Here’s a fun consideration ... Any NCAA football player has a 1.6% chance of making an NFL team. If the season is cancelled, those already unlikely odds are greatly diminished. So it seems many skilled players will be willing to roll the dice for the chance this year.
Can we get a show of hands of those who think these kids aren’t already going around to bars or partying with other kids their age this weekend? Or any weekend? They are more likely to catch virus from the parties than a football field.
Moos has been transparent in his total desperation and greed. He's pushing for a 12 game Big Ten season because he flat out said that with only 10 games, NU loses out on a couple of home games and indicated, "that's significant revenue."
This is purely about that sweet, sweet cash. No more, no less. The cash the student athletes see none of. Young athletes aren't likely to die from this, but if even one player dies of Covid 19 on any team in this country, there will be a reckoning.
Players can choose to play or choose not to play. If they choose not to play, at worst they have the same chances a non-student athlete has. And holy cow pies ... they are football players. You think they haven’t felt pressure before? It probably comes from their parents more than coaches or peers. And these players have no doubt been out to parties ... the likelihood is far greater they catch Virus from their party friends. Where will be their reckoning?
As for Moos ... he’s got a few million in revenue bonds that have to be paid this year due to stadium expansion and other building projects. He also has basketball and women sports to finance. Remember Title IX? Can he meet the financial obligations without a full season?
Another thought ... one game at Nebraska provides the revenue to finance the entire season for smaller teams. Losing non-conference games (across the nation) might kill off numerous football programs. Not saying that it’s our concern. But it is likely something NCAA has to consider.
Maybe NU needs to tighten its belt in the athletic department. I've been saying for years they do not need to be sponsoring 22 varsity sports. Trim the fat like every other person and business has had to do. Non revenue sports get that moniker for a reason. I think universities across the country are going to need to decide if they can truly afford to offer things like golf, tennis, rifle, rowing, etc. You can get to a comfortable number of mens sports and satisfy title ix. If you dont sell tickets, and no one watches your sport, tough decisions need to be made. NU was lucky to live high on the hog for decades. Those days are over.
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^ logical, but not as simple as it sounds. To be a part of major conferences a University has to meet minimums. But if you leave the conference, you lose revenue sharing. You also lose being site of Championships as they rotate.
It’s a sad cycle.
It’s a sad cycle.
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I'll just say this, I wear a mask in public half to protect all the non-mask wearing old people from me (I've had to sneeze and or cough several times in my time working at the home center, and I even walk well away from them to do so), but most often the favor is not reciprocated. People aren't realizing that it only works best if we all do it. So when someone isn't wearing a mask or social distancing, I'm thinking "Oh great, so you're safe, but I'm not. Thanks for your consideration". Same with social distancing. So the other half of me wears one when I have to be out in public (for better or not) to have a sliver of hope when some unmasked jerk-off has to walk straight up to me to say something when I don't know them or like them. And lets face it, some people are just gross, regardless of if there's a pandemic going on. So between wearing a mask, stepping aside,taking it slow, and avoiding crowds in small spaces, I've done my part. Now the rest need(ed) to do theirs.NUub wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:04 pm Don't have any idea what these football players are doing in their off time, wearing masks or anything. In any event I hope wearing a mask doesn't bring a false sense of security, I personally value the social distancing aspect far higher. So I'm looking at any social gatherings, especially indoors, and in high concentrations being of particular concern with the football team which is no doubt difficult at that age. Wonder what kind of rules the coaching staff has implemented for those guys. As for the stadium and any potential games you would have to think the AD would be far more interested in the TV money than packing a stadium. There is no reason you can't get 10k people to sparsely and strategically populate the outdoor stadium but any more and you might be getting a little close. Could still be considered a sellout if that's all they put up to sell. The real money would have to be made from frothing football fans on the couch that ESPN and the b10 network would be equally frothing to broadcast. Viewership from casual fans across the country would likely be high as they would be starved to watch any type of sporting event.
So some will say "just tell them to back off". On July 4th I was minding my own business weeding my garden, when the neighbor's dad (I don't know them) from out of town approached me. First thing I told him was "stop where you are and don't come any closer". He was still closer than I cared for him to be so I told him to take a few steps back again. "Now feel free to look and ask questions". It didn't feel good because my garden is un-fenced and I usually don't mind strangers asking about it. Anyway it ended up not being a big deal, I didn't know him and I never seen him before and he moved on pretty quick. I think I might have killed his spirit. But If I had to be that way to every person, every where I go, life would get pretty rough. That would be where the social distancing and mask come in, so hey, maybe I won't have to be a huge a-hole to you. If everybody understood and practiced these things, life could get back to normal enough. There's just way too many people not knowing or caring what a reasonable distance looks like, and those people might be why we should have (should have had) a mask mandate for a while.
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Or, you could just nicely say, please keep a six to seven for distance.
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Cade Johnson, other Nebraskans at South Dakota State 'bummed' they won't get to take on Huskers
Cade Johnson wasn’t the only one preparing a little something extra for the Huskers. Ten Jackrabbits from Nebraska high schools were gearing for the chance to play inside Memorial Stadium against a program that, in many cases, paid them little or no attention during their recruiting processes.
Only one wideout in Division I or FCS has more receiving yards the past two seasons than Cade Johnson’s 2,554. A likely 2021 NFL draft pick, he set a school record for touchdown catches in 2018 (17). In 40 career contests, Johnson has 162 grabs for 2,872 yards and 28 scores.
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Cade Johnson wasn’t the only one preparing a little something extra for the Huskers. Ten Jackrabbits from Nebraska high schools were gearing for the chance to play inside Memorial Stadium against a program that, in many cases, paid them little or no attention during their recruiting processes.
Only one wideout in Division I or FCS has more receiving yards the past two seasons than Cade Johnson’s 2,554. A likely 2021 NFL draft pick, he set a school record for touchdown catches in 2018 (17). In 40 career contests, Johnson has 162 grabs for 2,872 yards and 28 scores.
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/hu ... 0Headlines
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I know there is a minimum as mandated by each conference, but I'd argue that conferences are going to have to adjust to the new normal. What worked in 2019 may not work in 2021. I think conferences and the NCAA are going to have to become more lenient on minimum number of sports as well as minimum number of teams in certain sports in a conference required for a Division I championship qualification.Omahacritic wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:33 pm ^ logical, but not as simple as it sounds. To be a part of major conferences a University has to meet minimums. But if you leave the conference, you lose revenue sharing. You also lose being site of Championships as they rotate.
It’s a sad cycle.
Look at Summit League baseball. They are sitting at 5 and have to have a waiver until St. Thomas joins the league and gets them back to 6. Maybe they need to allow 4 teams per conference going forward.
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Yeah will be interesting to see what the Summit League does. I know UNO had to adjust their sports to join. I really worry about what the current situation will do to the Mavs. Their finances have been on the edge for years. If winter sports start being cancelled that could spell disaster for UNO.omaha79 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:06 amI know there is a minimum as mandated by each conference, but I'd argue that conferences are going to have to adjust to the new normal. What worked in 2019 may not work in 2021. I think conferences and the NCAA are going to have to become more lenient on minimum number of sports as well as minimum number of teams in certain sports in a conference required for a Division I championship qualification.Omahacritic wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:33 pm ^ logical, but not as simple as it sounds. To be a part of major conferences a University has to meet minimums. But if you leave the conference, you lose revenue sharing. You also lose being site of Championships as they rotate.
It’s a sad cycle.
Look at Summit League baseball. They are sitting at 5 and have to have a waiver until St. Thomas joins the league and gets them back to 6. Maybe they need to allow 4 teams per conference going forward.
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One thing that some schools are going to have to face is that this may be the H-bomb on the interscholastic athletic department at their school. UNO has a competitive Vball program as well as hockey program, but they are operating on a thin wire of cash and their AD is run by people who just don't know how to talk to fans (we dumped our long term hockey season tickets and our brother in law moved his to the cheap seats, costing a lot of cash in forced donations all because they wouldn't talk to us, like we were a burden on them to sell us tickets.
This cost of college sports is such that only 17 schools in Div 1 make money off football (NU being one), most schools bleed money and are like UNO and have tapped the activity fees of their students to keep the doors open even in good years. Come this fall, if I am going to be taking all my classes on line, my internet service is going to have to get buffed up and my laptop is going to have to be fast and have good VPN/cloud memory services in order to get the work done. That is going to cost money that I no longer have for bloated activity funds, after all, I am not going to be amused at the thought that i am going to be gouged for sports that are going to be played sans fans and I will not even get the opportunity to see them. Maybe I will move to a school that will not need to do that? That school that shut it's sports down for the season? Sounds affordable.
This cost of college sports is such that only 17 schools in Div 1 make money off football (NU being one), most schools bleed money and are like UNO and have tapped the activity fees of their students to keep the doors open even in good years. Come this fall, if I am going to be taking all my classes on line, my internet service is going to have to get buffed up and my laptop is going to have to be fast and have good VPN/cloud memory services in order to get the work done. That is going to cost money that I no longer have for bloated activity funds, after all, I am not going to be amused at the thought that i am going to be gouged for sports that are going to be played sans fans and I will not even get the opportunity to see them. Maybe I will move to a school that will not need to do that? That school that shut it's sports down for the season? Sounds affordable.
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Sure wish there was more pressure on these schools to tap into their massive (gasp) endowment funds. So much money in some of those funds, an absolute slap in the face to students or governments when they ask for some kind of relief. What exactly is the point of these gigantic funds if not using them now?
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The bottom line is that there is a value to Division I intercollegiate athletics, but schools are going to need to be smarter about it going forward. They are a great advertising arm of a university. They up the visibility and perception of a school within a community. But, all of that has limits too.
Since we are looking at UNO, they currently at 15 sports (assuming I miscounted when I said 16 previously). Hockey is the centerpiece. They've also done well with basketball to an extent. Those sports are the anchors. On top of that, they've invested significantly in facilities for those sports, along with men's/women's soccer and baseball/softball.
If the NCAA and Summit League would allow it, I'd probably advocate for dropping men's/women's tennis and golf. That's 4 sports that takes you from 15/11.
You have title IX concerns at this point. I'd assume men's and women's basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball are roughly an even offset. That leaves hockey with its high scholarship and spending as the issue on Title IX. Volleyball likely offsets that to an extent, but I'm guessing it's not enough. You'd need to keep a couple more women's sports like cross country and track to make Title IX work. But, that would likely leave you able to drop at least 1 more women's sport too like swimming and diving.
If you could get this from 15 sports to 10 for UNO. Focus on the things that fans care about and have shown even nominal support to, and that you've invested in facilities on, you'd be in a much better place. It would save hundreds of thousands of dollars if not in the 7 figure range and it would allow a school like UNO to invest more in those sports like track and cross country that don't even have training facilities now and have had to utilize high school tracks.
There is going to be a reckoning on all of this. The NCAA and the mid majors would be wise to realize this now and try to stem the tide. It's not doing any of these student athletes a ton of favors to offer sports that are always in danger of being cut and where they haven't supported them with adequate facilities and coaching in the past.
Since we are looking at UNO, they currently at 15 sports (assuming I miscounted when I said 16 previously). Hockey is the centerpiece. They've also done well with basketball to an extent. Those sports are the anchors. On top of that, they've invested significantly in facilities for those sports, along with men's/women's soccer and baseball/softball.
If the NCAA and Summit League would allow it, I'd probably advocate for dropping men's/women's tennis and golf. That's 4 sports that takes you from 15/11.
You have title IX concerns at this point. I'd assume men's and women's basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball are roughly an even offset. That leaves hockey with its high scholarship and spending as the issue on Title IX. Volleyball likely offsets that to an extent, but I'm guessing it's not enough. You'd need to keep a couple more women's sports like cross country and track to make Title IX work. But, that would likely leave you able to drop at least 1 more women's sport too like swimming and diving.
If you could get this from 15 sports to 10 for UNO. Focus on the things that fans care about and have shown even nominal support to, and that you've invested in facilities on, you'd be in a much better place. It would save hundreds of thousands of dollars if not in the 7 figure range and it would allow a school like UNO to invest more in those sports like track and cross country that don't even have training facilities now and have had to utilize high school tracks.
There is going to be a reckoning on all of this. The NCAA and the mid majors would be wise to realize this now and try to stem the tide. It's not doing any of these student athletes a ton of favors to offer sports that are always in danger of being cut and where they haven't supported them with adequate facilities and coaching in the past.
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http://www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are/me ... sificationomaha79 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 am The bottom line is that there is a value to Division I intercollegiate athletics, but schools are going to need to be smarter about it going forward. They are a great advertising arm of a university. They up the visibility and perception of a school within a community. But, all of that has limits too.
Since we are looking at UNO, they currently at 15 sports (assuming I miscounted when I said 16 previously). Hockey is the centerpiece. They've also done well with basketball to an extent. Those sports are the anchors. On top of that, they've invested significantly in facilities for those sports, along with men's/women's soccer and baseball/softball.
If the NCAA and Summit League would allow it, I'd probably advocate for dropping men's/women's tennis and golf. That's 4 sports that takes you from 15/11.
You have title IX concerns at this point. I'd assume men's and women's basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball are roughly an even offset. That leaves hockey with its high scholarship and spending as the issue on Title IX. Volleyball likely offsets that to an extent, but I'm guessing it's not enough. You'd need to keep a couple more women's sports like cross country and track to make Title IX work. But, that would likely leave you able to drop at least 1 more women's sport too like swimming and diving.
If you could get this from 15 sports to 10 for UNO. Focus on the things that fans care about and have shown even nominal support to, and that you've invested in facilities on, you'd be in a much better place. It would save hundreds of thousands of dollars if not in the 7 figure range and it would allow a school like UNO to invest more in those sports like track and cross country that don't even have training facilities now and have had to utilize high school tracks.
There is going to be a reckoning on all of this. The NCAA and the mid majors would be wise to realize this now and try to stem the tide. It's not doing any of these student athletes a ton of favors to offer sports that are always in danger of being cut and where they haven't supported them with adequate facilities and coaching in the past.
The Mavs are probably as lean as they can be for D1. Currently 1 above the 14 minimum, but as you mentioned there is likely an extra women's team to help offset the larger hockey program.Division I
Division I member institutions have to sponsor at least seven sports for men and seven for women (or six for men and eight for women) with two team sports for each gender.
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iamjacobm wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:45 amhttp://www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are/me ... sificationomaha79 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:18 am The bottom line is that there is a value to Division I intercollegiate athletics, but schools are going to need to be smarter about it going forward. They are a great advertising arm of a university. They up the visibility and perception of a school within a community. But, all of that has limits too.
Since we are looking at UNO, they currently at 15 sports (assuming I miscounted when I said 16 previously). Hockey is the centerpiece. They've also done well with basketball to an extent. Those sports are the anchors. On top of that, they've invested significantly in facilities for those sports, along with men's/women's soccer and baseball/softball.
If the NCAA and Summit League would allow it, I'd probably advocate for dropping men's/women's tennis and golf. That's 4 sports that takes you from 15/11.
You have title IX concerns at this point. I'd assume men's and women's basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball are roughly an even offset. That leaves hockey with its high scholarship and spending as the issue on Title IX. Volleyball likely offsets that to an extent, but I'm guessing it's not enough. You'd need to keep a couple more women's sports like cross country and track to make Title IX work. But, that would likely leave you able to drop at least 1 more women's sport too like swimming and diving.
If you could get this from 15 sports to 10 for UNO. Focus on the things that fans care about and have shown even nominal support to, and that you've invested in facilities on, you'd be in a much better place. It would save hundreds of thousands of dollars if not in the 7 figure range and it would allow a school like UNO to invest more in those sports like track and cross country that don't even have training facilities now and have had to utilize high school tracks.
There is going to be a reckoning on all of this. The NCAA and the mid majors would be wise to realize this now and try to stem the tide. It's not doing any of these student athletes a ton of favors to offer sports that are always in danger of being cut and where they haven't supported them with adequate facilities and coaching in the past.
The Mavs are probably as lean as they can be for D1. Currently 1 above the 14 minimum, but as you mentioned there is likely an extra women's team to help offset the larger hockey program.Division I
Division I member institutions have to sponsor at least seven sports for men and seven for women (or six for men and eight for women) with two team sports for each gender.
Yes, I've acknowledged the NCAA minimums numerous times. My argument is that the NCAA and the small conferences are likely going to need to rethink this in the coming months/years or they are going to see entire universities and/or conferences dropping all sports.
The model that barely worked in 2019 is going to be broken beyond repair for 2021 going forward. The NCAA, schools, and conference will not be able to maintain these hard line requirements. I honestly think schools should be able to go down to 8-10 sports and still stay D-1.
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Football needs to cut the squads. Bring back the days of players playing both sides of the line. ;)
Seriously, talking only Virus planning ... everything needs to be rethought. Break the paradigms. Spring Season is looking more likely. But why not stagger to two weeks between games?
Seriously, talking only Virus planning ... everything needs to be rethought. Break the paradigms. Spring Season is looking more likely. But why not stagger to two weeks between games?
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If the NCAA continues on its course of being worthless and incompetent in dealing with the virus then the colleges and football conferences ultimately have to call their own shots. The NCAA is dealing themselves out and who knos maybe when its over the colleges don't let the NCAA back in.
If the NCAA did get dealt out then the agreement to have the College World Series at Omaha might be weak.
If the NCAA did get dealt out then the agreement to have the College World Series at Omaha might be weak.
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With the virus surging, Nebraska has put a halt to all season ticket sales for basketball. This is telling to me. I'd put the chances of football starting in 45 days somewhere between slim and none. If they do start football, there is no way they'll be able to have more than maybe 20% capacity. But, realistically, I just don't think they can start the season at this point with college age students being the worst offenders in terms of spreading the virus...
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Honestly, I’m getting to the point now, that all pro and college sports should be scrapped until 2021..and until after we get a handle on this pandemic and a vaccine. For professional sports, the reasoning now is a cash grab only for shoving MLB, NBA and NFL down our throats in 2020.. For college, time to bite the bullet. Too many kids will be at risk. He!l, I just read 2 girls on the Burke HS dance team just tested positive. This situation is a big mess and getting messier by the day...omaha79 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:18 am With the virus surging, Nebraska has put a halt to all season ticket sales for basketball. This is telling to me. I'd put the chances of football starting in 45 days somewhere between slim and none. If they do start football, there is no way they'll be able to have more than maybe 20% capacity. But, realistically, I just don't think they can start the season at this point with college age students being the worst offenders in terms of spreading the virus...
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I can understand from the point of view of spreading the virus from youth to more susceptible older population. But people need to realize that young people up to 25 years old have near zero mortality. It really is a completely different virus with young people than it is with those in nursing homes. It is essentially catching a cold for them.
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I don’t know that I buy that completely. I’ve heard of several instances recently where younger people-30 and younger-who were careless, contracted Covid and passed away.. I believe it’s a lot more serious than simply catching a common cold..and we need to treat it much more seriously. Even for the younger crowd...NUub wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:39 am I can understand from the point of view of spreading the virus from youth to more susceptible older population. But people need to realize that young people up to 25 years old have near zero mortality. It really is a completely different virus with young people than it is with those in nursing homes. It is essentially catching a cold for them.
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Currently, I'm more ok with the professional sports coming back. You're talking about multi million dollar professional athletes that are choosing to pursue their income. To me, it's not much different than the manufacturing plants, grocery stores, etc. that have operated since day one without interruption. Not saying it's reality, but there is also the perceived idea of at least some more maturity surrounding these pro athletes in how they should be conducting themselves inside their league bubbles vs. college kids who aren't getting paid for their services and who are more likely to have large parties, etc.Omaha Cowboy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 amHonestly, I’m getting to the point now, that all pro and college sports should be scrapped until 2021..and until after we get a handle on this pandemic and a vaccine. For professional sports, the reasoning now is a cash grab only for shoving MLB, NBA and NFL down our throats in 2020.. For college, time to bite the bullet. Too many kids will be at risk. He!l, I just read 2 girls on the Burke HS dance team just tested positive. This situation is a big mess and getting messier by the day...omaha79 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:18 am With the virus surging, Nebraska has put a halt to all season ticket sales for basketball. This is telling to me. I'd put the chances of football starting in 45 days somewhere between slim and none. If they do start football, there is no way they'll be able to have more than maybe 20% capacity. But, realistically, I just don't think they can start the season at this point with college age students being the worst offenders in terms of spreading the virus...
https://theindependent.com/sports/colle ... 7a8a8.html
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I've watched some of the MLS return on ESPN. So far, it appears they've found a common sense strategy and structure to their return to play. At the moment, we haven't seen huge spikes in their camps. MLB will be the next big test starting next week. These leagues and their billionaire owners can also survive on television dollars alone for the short term. So, we haven't seen the insane push to open stadiums and ballparks back up like we are seeing in college football hotbeds where desperate athletic directors are chomping at the bit to let 80-100k fans into stadiums with no regard for safety.
At some point, life has to go on. If MLB, MLS, NBA, and NHL can make abbreviated seasons work with no fans, I'm all for it. The distraction on television will be welcome.
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I'm only drawing from the numbers while drowning out the hysterics. Nationally reported (ending 7/4/20 since the CDC hasn't updated yet) the number of deaths for people between the ages of 1-24 is 170. This is out of 16,400 total deaths in that age group. This is compared to 137 deaths from the flu (non-covid19). Also compared to 373 deaths from pneumonia (non-covid19). In a statistical sense I'm really not worried about these young people dying from covid19 given the 100x(!) greater chance that they will, in the unlikely event of dying, succomb to something else. If this was the case for every other age group, we would never know that covid19 even existed as no issue would ever have been made of it. Given that the likelihood of death rises exponentially with age beyond those levels it is important to ensure sensible measures to minimize exposure to older populations. In the case of stadiums, there is no way they will go full capacity this year. I don't even think there would be enough people to fill the stadium with the knowledge that it was at capacity. I think filling to 1/8 capacity is sensible with the outdoor environment and given that many will be couples that sit together anyway which ultimately increases distance b/w parties. With basketball indoors, would have to be even more sparsely populated.
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I hear what you’re saying. And can’t disagree. But as a huge fan of the NFL, college football/basketball..and having specific teams I pull for..it has me wondering, is 2020 really worth the trouble? As a fan of an NFL team who is a legit Super Bowl contender, it also has me wondering whoever wins the Super Bowl..after whatever kind of 2020 season we have, will their be an asterisk?..you know, the most “healthy” NFL team won it all this year, not necessarily the “best” team..and as a fan, this diminishes the experience for me..omaha79 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:44 amCurrently, I'm more ok with the professional sports coming back. You're talking about multi million dollar professional athletes that are choosing to pursue their income. To me, it's not much different than the manufacturing plants, grocery stores, etc. that have operated since day one without interruption. Not saying it's reality, but there is also the perceived idea of at least some more maturity surrounding these pro athletes in how they should be conducting themselves inside their league bubbles vs. college kids who aren't getting paid for their services and who are more likely to have large parties, etc.Omaha Cowboy wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:17 amHonestly, I’m getting to the point now, that all pro and college sports should be scrapped until 2021..and until after we get a handle on this pandemic and a vaccine. For professional sports, the reasoning now is a cash grab only for shoving MLB, NBA and NFL down our throats in 2020.. For college, time to bite the bullet. Too many kids will be at risk. He!l, I just read 2 girls on the Burke HS dance team just tested positive. This situation is a big mess and getting messier by the day...omaha79 wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:18 am With the virus surging, Nebraska has put a halt to all season ticket sales for basketball. This is telling to me. I'd put the chances of football starting in 45 days somewhere between slim and none. If they do start football, there is no way they'll be able to have more than maybe 20% capacity. But, realistically, I just don't think they can start the season at this point with college age students being the worst offenders in terms of spreading the virus...
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I've watched some of the MLS return on ESPN. So far, it appears they've found a common sense strategy and structure to their return to play. At the moment, we haven't seen huge spikes in their camps. MLB will be the next big test starting next week. These leagues and their billionaire owners can also survive on television dollars alone for the short term. So, we haven't seen the insane push to open stadiums and ballparks back up like we are seeing in college football hotbeds where desperate athletic directors are chomping at the bit to let 80-100k fans into stadiums with no regard for safety.
At some point, life has to go on. If MLB, MLS, NBA, and NHL can make abbreviated seasons work with no fans, I'm all for it. The distraction on television will be welcome.
You’re right. At some point, life has to go on. I’m just suggesting that we might want to wait until 2021 before we put on a complete show of professional and college sports...
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I appreciate the feedback here..NUub wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:59 am I'm only drawing from the numbers while drowning out the hysterics. Nationally reported (ending 7/4/20 since the CDC hasn't updated yet) the number of deaths for people between the ages of 1-24 is 170. This is out of 16,400 total deaths in that age group. This is compared to 137 deaths from the flu (non-covid19). Also compared to 373 deaths from pneumonia (non-covid19). In a statistical sense I'm really not worried about these young people dying from covid19 given the 100x(!) greater chance that they will, in the unlikely event of dying, succomb to something else. If this was the case for every other age group, we would never know that covid19 even existed as no issue would ever have been made of it. Given that the likelihood of death rises exponentially with age beyond those levels it is important to ensure sensible measures to minimize exposure to older populations. In the case of stadiums, there is no way they will go full capacity this year. I don't even think there would be enough people to fill the stadium with the knowledge that it was at capacity. I think filling to 1/8 capacity is sensible with the outdoor environment and given that many will be couples that sit together anyway which ultimately increases distance b/w parties. With basketball indoors, would have to be even more sparsely populated.
We definitely need a balance and not a hysterical overreaction either.. It just seems right now, after things opened back up in numerous states, the spread of Covid-19 spiked dramatically. And it is a disease that medically, we still don’t have a handle on.. We need to have reasonable concern, be smart and exercise caution..and I’m concerned that opening up all pro and college sports, in whatever capacity, will only contribute to and enhance the pandemic sh!t show we’re currently experiencing...
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But what is the reason for the spikes? Did California ever really reopen? Did Nebraska ever close? Why are so many Florida testing locations (300!) reporting 100% of their results as covid19 positive? I can't help but think it's political with the large population/swing state/hatred for DeSantis. If in question, why no appreciable spikes in deaths? Everything is very scammy looking lately. Again, I'm glad I'm in Nebraska living somewhat of a normal life. If you are in California, you can't say the same thing - all this for a death rate thus far of 1 in 5600! How can I not see this a year from now with no vaccine (highly likely) and running the same script with the same measly death rate? I finally know personally someone who contracted covid19. Mid 40ish, had it for about a week now after testing positive. Nothing serious and from what I understand feeling better already. The media will never ever do a story on someone like that but they will plaster the full harrowing account of someone in too much pain to move who is on death's door as if it is the norm. Yeah, my general skepticism for the details surrounding this subject is at a fairly high level.
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I saw this today
NJCAA announces junior college fall sports, including football, will move to spring for 2021
The most recent plan of action shifts all close-contact fall sports to the spring semester. These sports include football, men's and women's soccer, and court volleyball. The NJCAA cross country championships for all three divisions and half marathon championships will remain as their originally scheduled dates in the fall as well as Division III women's tennis.
All winter sports competition will begin in January with a majority of championship seasons moved from March to April. These sports include men's and women's basketball, wrestling, and swimming and diving. Men's and women's bowling and men's and women's indoor track and field will be held at the beginning of March.
https://www.njcaa.org/general/2019-20/r ... 0713l9o7t8
NJCAA announces junior college fall sports, including football, will move to spring for 2021
The most recent plan of action shifts all close-contact fall sports to the spring semester. These sports include football, men's and women's soccer, and court volleyball. The NJCAA cross country championships for all three divisions and half marathon championships will remain as their originally scheduled dates in the fall as well as Division III women's tennis.
All winter sports competition will begin in January with a majority of championship seasons moved from March to April. These sports include men's and women's basketball, wrestling, and swimming and diving. Men's and women's bowling and men's and women's indoor track and field will be held at the beginning of March.
https://www.njcaa.org/general/2019-20/r ... 0713l9o7t8
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This is sort of what I was driving at with my last several posts...Uffda wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:12 pm I saw this today
NJCAA announces junior college fall sports, including football, will move to spring for 2021
The most recent plan of action shifts all close-contact fall sports to the spring semester. These sports include football, men's and women's soccer, and court volleyball. The NJCAA cross country championships for all three divisions and half marathon championships will remain as their originally scheduled dates in the fall as well as Division III women's tennis.
All winter sports competition will begin in January with a majority of championship seasons moved from March to April. These sports include men's and women's basketball, wrestling, and swimming and diving. Men's and women's bowling and men's and women's indoor track and field will be held at the beginning of March.
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I can only speak for what is going on down here. DeSantis totally reopened before FL was to that point that even the Trump Admin said states should be at. I speak as a newbie to FL but this state has been screwed up by the last 2 Governors -- both Rs. From what I gather people were feeling good about DeSantis when he first got into office because he was seemed to making changes and talking to both sides of the aisle.NUub wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:10 pm Why are so many Florida testing locations (300!) reporting 100% of their results as covid19 positive? I can't help but think it's political with the large population/swing state/hatred for DeSantis.
Then COVID hit and he really has been a 'i am not going to tell you what to do, because then I can't be blamed' Cities and Counties have complained that they can't reach him or his admin. There was a news conference the other day with the Miami mayor (i think). A question was asked about Contact Trackers and who was responsible - state or city - it was to set them up -- DeSantis tried to pass it off to the Mayor -- but the money and directions is suppose to come from the state and it hasn't. He also wouldn't put a state mandate on masks -- so many counties - including the one I live in - mandated them without the State. Of course, DeSantis didn't wear a mask until recently. My thought is he is trying for a position in the Trump admin if Trump is reelected.
As to the reporting 100% -- that actually was a State of FL report -- it came out that one lab was reporting positives to the state but nothing else. The state instead of checking or double checking the info just put it in the report. Interestingly, DeSantis complains about the media BUT it was the media that started looking into this and discovered what was happening.
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Then Orlando reported that the CDC has them as 98% positive when really they were 9.8% positive. So there is a bunch of math errors going on.
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Actually what it was is a couple of labs were only reporting the positives so the number of positives in FL was correct just not the percentage of positives of all tests.bigredmed1 wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:32 am Then Orlando reported that the CDC has them as 98% positive when really they were 9.8% positive. So there is a bunch of math errors going on.
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https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida ... 42870.htmlUffda wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:34 amActually what it was is a couple of labs were only reporting the positives so the number of positives in FL was correct just not the percentage of positives of all tests.bigredmed1 wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:32 am Then Orlando reported that the CDC has them as 98% positive when really they were 9.8% positive. So there is a bunch of math errors going on.
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Yepbigredmed1 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:24 amhttps://www.thecentersquare.com/florida ... 42870.htmlUffda wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:34 amActually what it was is a couple of labs were only reporting the positives so the number of positives in FL was correct just not the percentage of positives of all tests.bigredmed1 wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:32 am Then Orlando reported that the CDC has them as 98% positive when really they were 9.8% positive. So there is a bunch of math errors going on.
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Husker DB Jaiden Francois (4 star recruit) enters transfer portal
Nebraska has now lost 15 scholarship players with remaining eligibility since the end of last season. During the past four months, that includes quarterback Noah Vedral (Rutgers), Gray (FIU) and receiver JD Spielman.
https://omaha.com/sports/college/husker ... op-story-1
Nebraska has now lost 15 scholarship players with remaining eligibility since the end of last season. During the past four months, that includes quarterback Noah Vedral (Rutgers), Gray (FIU) and receiver JD Spielman.
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Spielman TCU bound.
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The University of Nebraska at Kearney is delaying the start of fall sports competition to Sept. 28 because of the coronavirus pandemic.
UNK and Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association officials announced the decision Monday. The move was approved unanimously by chancellors and presidents of the conference’s 14 schools.
UNK and Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association officials announced the decision Monday. The move was approved unanimously by chancellors and presidents of the conference’s 14 schools.
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The odds of a college football season happening were not good and are still getting worse. They have had a Covid-19 outbreak at Rutgers now. There have been outbreaks at a number of big 10 schools. You can bet Nebraska has a few virus cases we are not hearing about. The big 10 has now backed off on releasing the schedule for the season.
article about postponing of release of Big 10 schedule- https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... -schedule/
article about postponing of release of Big 10 schedule- https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... -schedule/
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I'd like to see this lead to a regionally-oriented-divisional-system for college football (but that probably won't happen). Conferences are big enough now to where they can play 6 divisional (regional) games and a couple cross-overs. So maybe 9 conference games and one regional cupcake. Division winners play for the championship and only the winner of the conference gets an automatic bid for a playoff spot. Reduce the regular season and expand the playoffs is what I'm getting at.
In the future, I'd like to see a 10 game regular season + championship game + 2 or 3 playoff games + national championship game. So if a team were to win the national championship, they would still play 15 games tops as they were the last few years, but they would play an extra playoff game. And this would give the opportunity for a lower seeded team to upset a higher seeded team and expand the playoff field.
In the future, I'd like to see a 10 game regular season + championship game + 2 or 3 playoff games + national championship game. So if a team were to win the national championship, they would still play 15 games tops as they were the last few years, but they would play an extra playoff game. And this would give the opportunity for a lower seeded team to upset a higher seeded team and expand the playoff field.
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Uffda wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:10 pm The University of Nebraska at Kearney is delaying the start of fall sports competition to Sept. 28 because of the coronavirus pandemic.
UNK and Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association officials announced the decision Monday. The move was approved unanimously by chancellors and presidents of the conference’s 14 schools.
Is UNK doing a separate schedule than UNO and UNL academically? I know UNL and UNO like many others adjusted their schedule so they can finish by Thanksgiving, and thought UNK was on board. Heard now that is not the case.
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They just released the Big 10 schedule and Nebraska is supposed to play at Rutgers 1 month from today on Sept 5th. I don't see that game being played but I'm thinking now and I know thinking seems to not be allowed during the pandemic. If Rutgers just shut down because over a dozen players are positive then how is it it possible that they safely play Nebraska so soon. The level of stupidity is shocking. The first home game for Nebraska is against Wisconsin on Sept. 19th. I give the chances of that game happening no better then 50/50! If they do play I'll take the Badgers for the easy win.
BIg 10 schedule - https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... on-oct-24/
BIg 10 schedule - https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... on-oct-24/
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Not sure the Rutgers being shutdown will have any impact on a game in September? The Marlins in MLB got shut down and have returned to play. There is a lot more time between the Rutgers shutdown and the Nebraska game, than there were with the Marlins return.GrandpaaSmucker wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:04 am They just released the Big 10 schedule and Nebraska is supposed to play at Rutgers 1 month from today on Sept 5th. I don't see that game being played but I'm thinking now and I know thinking seems to not be allowed during the pandemic. If Rutgers just shut down because over a dozen players are positive then how is it it possible that they safely play Nebraska so soon. The level of stupidity is shocking. The first home game for Nebraska is against Wisconsin on Sept. 19th. I give the chances of that game happening no better then 50/50! If they do play I'll take the Badgers for the easy win.
BIg 10 schedule - https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... on-oct-24/
The thing with this is, is in any given week we really won't know about a game until they take the field. It's all so unpredictable. I think the winter/indoor sports are most in jeopardy.
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Curious... Doesn't help much to have an all conference schedule when they would schedule the two polar opposite teams in the conference location-wise. Coronavirus doesn't care if they're in the same conference.